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    Hillary [Clinton] on Saturday gave a speech warning [Russian President Vladimir] Putin against interfering in the U.S. elections. The FBI has talked about foreign interference and Obama has warned about it," Morris said. "This goes back to something that happened in 1996.

    "When I worked for Clinton, Clinton called me and said, 'I want to get Yeltsin elected as president of Russia against Gennady Zyuganov, who was the communist who was running against him. Putin was Zyuganov's major backer.

    "It became public that Clinton would meet with me every week. We would review the polling that was being done for Yeltsin that was being done by a colleague of mine, who was sending it to me every week. We, Clinton and I, would go through it and Bill would pick up the hotline and talk to Yeltsin and tell him what commercials to run, where to campaign, what positions to take. He basically became Yeltsin's political consultant.

    "I think that Putin resented that, hated it, thought that it was an inappropriate intervention by Bill Clinton and I think he's determined to take his revenge out on Hillary Clinton."
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    Offering campaign advice?
    I do not see anything in you cut and paste that America ran a covert intelligence operation, sending undercover agents posing as Russian citizens, to manipulate public opinion, run false flag operations, and funded by American tax payers through dark money.


    We should take a moment to review just how shitty your Orange Clown's judgement was.
    Was it really just bad judgment? Or was the Orange Hog just lying his ass off?

    Trump's claims of Russian meddling as a 'hoax' hit choppy waters with FBI indictments

    For two years, Donald Trump — as both candidate and president — has frequently dismissed the notion of Russian meddling in U.S. elections as a "hoax" and even denigrated heads of U.S. intelligence agencies for suggesting otherwise.

    At times he has also taken Russian President Vladimir Putin's word on the issue.

    That view hit choppy waters this week with the FBI indictment of 13 Russian nationals for alleged cyber-meddling.

    Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, added a few waves as the highest ranking White House official to say flatly on Saturday that evidence of Russian election meddling "is now incontrovertible.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nts/347931002/

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    Russian policymakers view their interference in the US electoral process as a form of retaliation against past US meddling in Russian presidential elections.

    The Clintons feature prominently in these past cases of US interference in Russian domestic politics. Under Bill Clinton’s watch, the United States actively supported Boris Yeltsin’s retention of power. Clinton’s commitment to Yeltsin did not waver during the 1990s, despite widespread Russian public antipathy towards his economic policies and serious doubts about his competence to serve as president.

    The negative memories of the 1990s transition period have caused Putin’s allies to view US support for Yeltsin as an act of hostility towards Russia. As some of Putin’s allies sympathized with the authoritarian ambitions of the 1991 coup plotters, allegations that US officials handed over secure codes used by coup plotting Soviet generals to Yeltsin have engendered particular animosity. The Russian state media has also described the active involvement of US political consultants in Yeltsin’s come-from-behind presidential election triumph in 1996 as an egregious violation of Russia’s sovereignty.

    Since the colored revolutions of the mid-2000s, Kremlin policymakers have embraced the view that US involvement in the electoral processes of Russia and other CIS countries is motivated by a pernicious desire to prevent Russia’s re-emergence as a great power. The 2011-12 Russian election protests consolidated this negative view of Washington’s intentions.

    During the 2011-12 mass protests, Putin’s allies frequently accused the CIA of sabotaging Russia’s elections. Representatives of Putin’s United Russia Party argued that the United States was attempting to instigate an Orange Revolution-style turnover of power in Russia that would bring back “perestroika” and revolutionary chaos. Liberal nationalists like Alexey Navalny were publicly discredited as foreign agents. Putin’s supporters also launched large-scale anti-Orange demonstrations in Moscow to protest against perceived US meddling in Russia’s elections.

    The Euro-Maidan Revolution in Ukraine, and rising influence of hardline anti-American policymakers like Vladislav Surkov and FSB head Nikolai Patrushev, have made Putin even more reactive to perceived US involvement in Russian internal politics. Former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul’s decision to redirect $50 million towards civil society assistance to Russia in March 2012 has been cited as smoking gun evidence for pernicious US interference in Russian politics.


    Many US media outlets have regarded these anti-Clinton sentiments as face value proof for a Russian endorsement of Trump. Yet Russian elite opinion on Trump’s campaign is a lot more circumspect than many commentators have argued.

    Putin demonstrated his potential discontent with Trump in emphatic fashion on October 27, claiming that rumors of Russian elite support for the Trump campaign were mere fictional US media concoctions. This suggests that Russian involvement in the US elections is largely a targeted revenge mission against Clinton for perceived past wrongs and not a full-fledged endorsement of Trump by Putin.

    Russia’s ability to interfere in the US election process also bolsters domestic perceptions of Russian great power status and can help rally Russian nationalists around Putin’s rule. Even though Moscow has denied involvement in the US elections, Russia’s ability to flagrantly violate America’s sovereignty by releasing unfavorable documents about Clinton is rooted in its desire for symbolic parity with the United States.

    In the eyes of Kremlin policymakers, the ability to violate international law without consequence is a defining feature of a great power. By ironically employing the same double standards as the United States, Putin has been able to demonstrate to the Washington establishment that Russia will not roll over passively to US pressure.

    Allegations from Moscow that the US government has banned Russian election observers from overseeing the presidential elections also entrench the notion that the US employs double standards in its foreign policy. Giving the United States a taste of its own medicine during a politically sensitive period like an election cycle resonates powerfully amongst anti-American nationalists within Putin’s inner circle.

    From a tactical standpoint, interfering in the US election process also expands Russian soft power by giving Russia a political support base in the United States that is amenable to Putin’s authoritarian, socially conservative style of government. Right-wing nationalists in the United States drawn to Trump’s candidacy have also been attracted to Putin’s socially conservative agenda, anti-LGBT legislation in Russia, and Moscow’s hardline approach to combatting Islamic extremism.

    Russia’s outreach to the alt-right in the United States closely resembles its cordial relationships with anti-EU, far-right political parties in Europe. Covertly crusading against Clinton’s presidential campaign helps Moscow curry the favor of right-wing populists in the Republican Party, giving Putin a political base within the United States. This support base could eventually give Moscow a voice in the US media and government.

    Interference in the US presidential election cycle provides Putin with belated retribution for past US interference in Russian politics and bolsters domestic perceptions of Russia’s great power status. This means that regardless of who wins on November 8, Russian involvement in US politics is likely to be an enduring feature of Kremlin foreign policy for years to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Offering campaign advice?
    I do not see anything in you cut and paste that America ran a covert intelligence operation, sending undercover agents posing as Russian citizens, to manipulate public opinion, run false flag operations, and funded by American tax payers through dark money.

    OMG..Twitterbots and FB ads and rallies are "covert intelligence?" True by definition -false by practice
    It was small potatos compared to:

    Bill would pick up the hotline and talk to Yeltsin and tell him what commercials to run, where to campaign, what positions to take. He basically became Yeltsin's political consultant.

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    I do not think you even stopped to realize how bad this analogy is.

    Offering campaign advice is not even in the same ball park as funding and running an elaborate covert intelligence operation to undermine American democratic institutions.

    Second, Yeltsin was widely considered an American stooge. If we were to carry your analogy forward, you are implying that Trump is a Russian stooge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Offering campaign advice is not even in the same ball park as funding and running an elaborate covert intelligence operation to undermine American democratic institutions.
    Undermine ?....or Influence ? Our government seems to prefer describing it as Influence......

    Our own political party's do the same think in every election.....both overtly and covertly.....in the media, on social networks.....
    Put blame where it belongs
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    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I do not think you even stopped to realize how bad this analogy is.

    Offering campaign advice is not even in the same ball park as funding and running an elaborate covert intelligence operation to undermine American democratic institutions.

    Second, Yeltsin was widely considered an American stooge. If we were to carry your analogy forward, you are implying that Trump is a Russian stooge.
    Russian involvement in the US elections is largely a targeted revenge mission against Clinton for perceived past wrongs and not a full-fledged endorsement of Trump by Putin.
    Clinton was directing Yelsin's campaign,not some nebulous advice-and it was a lot more then that.

    The Euro-Maidan Revolution in Ukraine, and rising influence of hardline anti-American policymakers like Vladislav Surkov and FSB head Nikolai Patrushev, have made Putin even more reactive to perceived US involvement in Russian internal politics. Former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul’s decision to redirect $50 million towards civil society assistance to Russia in March 2012 has been cited as smoking gun evidence for pernicious US interference in Russian politics.
    if you had an ounce of honesty you'd condemn both,as well as Obama/Hillary's meddling..which is the point of this thread

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    I can't figure out if the point of this thread is that it was Clinton's fault Russia interfered in our election, or, that it was acceptable that they did because the US interfered in their election

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    It's pretty much a holdover from the cold war, man. From 1940 or so...

    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...330-story.html

    The Russkis are pretty much annoying to democracy and have been for decades.

    Of course, the US is not innocent of election meddling, including as recently as the last election of Bibi Netanyahu...
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I can't figure out if the point of this thread is that it was Clinton's fault Russia interfered in our election, or, that it was acceptable that they did because the US interfered in their election
    it's to show meddling is universal.
    Americans are goofy when it comes to "da Russians" -while we go around and invade and regime change we point the finger at Russian bots? That is hypocritical and disproportionate..

    And there are real world consequences to driving Putin into Chinese arms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    It's pretty much a holdover from the cold war, man. From 1940 or so...

    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...330-story.html

    The Russkis are pretty much annoying to democracy and have been for decades.

    Of course, the US is not innocent of election meddling, including as recently as the last election of Bibi Netanyahu...
    yeppers. yet another ex. of US interference..not that Russia is any better or worse.
    It's a modern form of espionage, and we all do it.

    I would argue our meddling in the Ukraine's Euromaiden is the proximate cause of Putin seizing Crimea
    ( access to Sevastopol)

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