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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    Are you actually stating that if the govt came to take your guns there would be a Waco like stand off with your house at the center of it and you behind your closed front door with all your guns ready to rock and roll while the police/military were outside preparing to get your guns by force?

    Is that your contention with comments like this?
    In a word?
    Yes.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    May I?

    The original intent, as worded, was to ensure that citizens could keep a firearm lawfully, in order to belong to a "well-regulated militia" meant to safeguard "the security".... which could mean basically to repel marauders, attacking Natives, foreign government soldiers hoping to invade, perhaps even an American government-gone-mad. What you (plural you) gun-humpers always ignore is that "well-regulated militia" part. The writers envisioned a local citizen army of sorts, there being no standing national army at the time. Were the French to try to encroach upon the states and grab territory, were the Natives to try to overrun a settlement.... they wanted the citizenry to have the arms and the training (that "well-regulated militia" thing again) to stand against them to ensure "the security of a free State." There is absolutely nothing in there about citizens having legal access to the same firearms used by law enforcement or military. That's all made-up bullshit stuff by the NRA and the gun makers.

    It's human nature to admit that you were had, that you're just a puppet. But there you go, Puppets.
    Not what well regulated meant.
    Well regulated at that time meant well supplied.
    Hence a well regulated militia man put put his hands on a weapon, and bullets and powder and patches and be out the door in a minute...see Minute Men for example.

    See also unenrolled militia for further knowledge of their thought process.

    The last two paragraphs are nothing more than your imagination as there were no police and the citizens were the military ( militia).

    You just couldn't be more incorrect.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Yep... and again, focus on that "well-regulated" part, and how it pertained to a group of armed men training together in case of an emergency. Do you think that today's gun-owners are 'well-regulated' in any sense of that word?
    In the incorrect sense that you are using it, gun owners today are over regulated.
    THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF GUN LAWS.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    Are you actually stating that if the govt came to take your guns there would be a Waco like stand off with your house at the center of it and you behind your closed front door with all your guns ready to rock and roll while the police/military were outside preparing to get your guns by force?

    Is that your contention with comments like this?
    Since that would be entirely unconstitutional, yes.
    Any such action should be met with deadly force.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    Why so much push back on more words if they don't mean anything or have no effect? Let's add more useless words and see what happens? What can it hurt at this point? It might even save a life or two.
    It's been shown useless words don't work yet your answer is to add more and try it again. Let me help you. Criminals intent on doing something like this don't read or pay attention to those words no matter how many you add. The words you want to add will only affect those that read and abide by them. For example, schools are gun free zones, therefore, despite the fact that I conceal carry as my state allows, I don't take one onto school grounds when I go. The ones those words you want to add aren't the ones you need to worry about doing something like this. Those that will do these shootings won't read or pay attention to any of them no matter how many you put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Educated? You're only fooling yourself
    And three universities apparently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Aside from the sheer volume of regulations on the books? Having a well-regulated militia, such as the Minutemen, is the reason why the 2nd Amendment was drafted - for revolution against a tyrannical government that leftists either believe cannot come about or should come about to bring about order. That being said, the founders also considered the general public to be the militia, and if properly armed, capable of fomenting revolution, which is why the 2nd gives a blanket protection against infringement.
    Maybe, but I'm not buying that that is the only reason the 2nd was written. BTW, are you aware that several of your compadres here are stating that the U.S. military would never ever go after American citizens, armed or not? In that case, what power does a "tyrannical government" even have? The only thing I can think of is passing draconian laws restricting our freedom to speak, travel, act, etc. If we violate such laws, what would the government then do to enforce them and punish us? Use the military, of course. So once again we're back to the fallacy that somehow your (group your) guns are going to allow you (group you) to stand up against the "tyrannical government" and its military might.

    It would make a nice movie, but like most movies it's far from reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    and some people, like you, grow up never realizing that you're nothing more than a slave of revenue production for the wealthy elitists in the world who don't give a toss about your safety...........just sayin.
    Some say - others tell the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    Are you actually stating that if the govt came to take your guns there would be a Waco like stand off with your house at the center of it and you behind your closed front door with all your guns ready to rock and roll while the police/military were outside preparing to get your guns by force?

    Is that your contention with comments like this?
    The dishonorable little moron also believes that all he has to do is show that he has weapons -- the U.S. military would never fire on him, an American citizen. LOLOLOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    how long have you held these moronic delusions?
    Said the genius in his padded call, bang bang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    please detail your 'education' so that we may see how the rest of us compare.
    MA Cantab, Ph.D Sheffield, M.Ed Nottingham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    MA Cantab, Ph.D Sheffield, M.Ed Nottingham.
    Impressive. What discipline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Maybe, but I'm not buying that that is the only reason the 2nd was written. BTW, are you aware that several of your compadres here are stating that the U.S. military would never ever go after American citizens, armed or not? In that case, what power does a "tyrannical government" even have? The only thing I can think of is passing draconian laws restricting our freedom to speak, travel, act, etc. If we violate such laws, what would the government then do to enforce them and punish us? Use the military, of course. So once again we're back to the fallacy that somehow your (group your) guns are going to allow you (group you) to stand up against the "tyrannical government" and its military might.

    It would make a nice movie, but like most movies it's far from reality.
    First, the 2nd Amendment truly was only written to ensure the people have the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government, and thus to allow militias the opportunity to drill and train as needed. It is not in place to ensure personal use of firearms for the sake of self-defense, home defense, recreation, or hunting, though the individual right granted by the 2nd has the effect of protecting those uses.

    As to the matter of our massive standing military, and it's civic commitment to the Constitution and the citizenry, that is an interesting dilemma. In ancient Rome, the legions began as an unpaid civic-minded, volunteer force, and eventually devolved into a mercenary force that essentially fought for the highest bidder. From the devolution of the Roman legions until the rise of nationalism, we didn't experience a lot of military forces who were motivated by civic virtue. In the modern West, it is much harder to imagine military servicemembers uniformly turning against their fellow citizens. The founders were wary of a standing army, because they feared it could be used for the purposes of tyranny, and Washington witnessed his own officers plotting the overthrow of the Confederation government. So, the only honest answer is that it's hard to imagine more than 1/3 (which is probably much too high of an estimate) of the current military serving a tyrannical state, but, at the same time, we don't really know what the future can bring, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Impressive. What discipline?
    English and Education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    English and Education.
    Thanks.

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