It is pointless to exchange with a gun hugger on gun reform,

[NOVA]

As is true every time one of these preventable disasters happens -- my first reaction is OMG OMG those poor people, those poor parents. Almost 20 years ago it started with Columbine, and hasn't faded since, whether it was a school or a public venue like Las Vegas or the Pulse nightclub or Virginia Tech or churches or the never-ending parade of workplace shootings.

Then comes the anger, from the gut. Our culture of violence, worship of war, equating weapons with strength and reason with weakness... and most of all.... the mis-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The tunnel vision of the gun-humpers sees only "right to bear arms." It doesn't see the rest about "well-regulated militia." The gun-humpers cry "I've never done anything wrong with my dic....er, guns.... why should I be penalized because some guy with the same guns killed 59 ppl going to a concert?"

Somehow, the right of the gun-suckers to have the "freedom" to own their peni--- um, weapons has triumphed over your right to walk free from harm when you go to church, when you send your children to school, when you take your sweetie to a concert, when you're in your place of work. Like jack-lighted deer, we've let these fellow citizens frighten us into silence just so they can lovingly annoint their dealers-of-death with special oil and cherish them more than they cherish your life or mine -- or the lives of our country's children. We can't give 100% of the blame to the gun-fuckers. They in turn have been jack-lighted by the NRA, the conservative media, and the arms makers by means of fear. They truly believe, at least the stupidest of them, that "regulation" means someone confiscating their cold metal gonads. Then they'll be at the mercy of the thugs, brown people (redundant), and worse of all -- the government -- that the rest of us seem to be able to avoid and/or live in peace with.

Our culture of violence, worship of war, equating weapons with strength and reason with weakness... and most of all.... the mis-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

The mis-interpretation of the 2nd amendment ?....are you seriously gonna try to tell us the 2nd Amendment has been mis-interpretated for almost 250 years ???
and you've finally come along to tell us what it really, really means ?

[PraiseKek]

they don't understand the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, nor the Supreme Court rulings on the Second Amendment. They generalize the whole concept of freedom, taking an complex abstraction and reducing it to a cliche that would fit a bumper sticker

They all think regulating guns means the AFT is coming to their door to confiscate their toys, they deflect with the same debunked statistical "arguments" advanced by the NRA, repeat the lame talking points they've heard from the demogogues, anticipate Attila and the Huns are planning to break in to their house, and see themselves as Chuck Norris rather than the more applicable Barny Fife

It's pointless, one of the major reasons we have 30,000+ Americans die from guns every year, and what now seems as kids getting shot in schools every other month, it has become as American as apple pie

Guns are already regulated, hand guns are responsible for the vast majority of gun homicides not the so called "assault weapons," when you people say gun reform and regulation we all know what you really mean are gun bans and as per usual you intend to use the corpses of dead children as your soap box to push your anti-Constitutional agenda.

[PraiseKek]

No one's been more insulting than the gunners to the anti-gunners who responded to this tragedy. Right off the bat we got hit with the same old crap about "out of my cold dead hands."

Bullshit as always you sick fucks were here on day one using the corpses of dead children as your soap box to spout your anti-Constitutional agenda, get fucked.

[iewitness]

"well regulated" , I think, is translated, in current vernacular; would be "regularized" or "standardized". the "militia" is not, in my comprehension, an organized group of men, but is pertinent to the manufacture and distribution of standardized weapons which will be interchangeable and universally known by patriots. I think the jpp character "rune" has a true signature which reads that it is the duty of every citizen [I say resident] to own a modern military weapon. it is only due diligence to be proficient in the use and maintenance of the well regulated "militia". it has now proven to be the effective deterrent to tyrranical takeover which is a real and present danger since the islamic revolution began, barack was produced and the damned are come to evil fruition. it is good and will suffice until due time for the beast to overcome the saints and establish their unlawful "one world order" for 3.5 years. is it not ? if I am wrong, I earnestly want to know and have not seen any compelling testimony which would compel me to change my testimony.

[RB 60]

You just can't fix willful stupidity, and that's what we are dealing with here. There was another discussion where they started foaming at the mouth when I pointed out that the NRA gave up education in favor of lobbying for the arms makers years ago.... their own magazine American Hunter proves it. No, I'm "lying". Dumb fucktards, may they die at the hands of their own proxy dicks.

You are a liar. You know nothing about what the NRA does when it comes to firearm education and training. Who do you think trains law enforcement and holds qualification courses and competitions? I don't believe for a moment you've read any NRA magazine, either. All magazines have their advertisers, don't they? Don't health magazines have pharmaceutical advertisers? Are they pushing drug addiction?
You are nothing short of an uninformed hypocritical liar.

[Mason Michaels]

You are a liar. You know nothing about what the NRA does when it comes to firearm education and training. Who do you think trains law enforcement and holds qualification courses and competitions? I don't believe for a moment you've read any NRA magazine, either. All magazines have their advertisers, don't they? Don't health magazines have pharmaceutical advertisers? Are they pushing drug addiction?
You are nothing short of an uninformed hypocritical liar.

Explain why the NRA buys Senators and Congressman

[leaningright]

Explain why the NRA buys Senators and Congressman

Not “buys” ... “supports.” And most A rated NRA senators and congressmen are voting exactly how their constituents want them to on gun issues or they wouldn’t have been elected.

[RB 60]

Explain why the NRA buys Senators and Congressman

Show us where they are for sale.
If you say they are, then Soros bought Schumer, Pelosi and how many more, didn't he?

[Mason Michaels]

Show us where they are for sale.
If you say they are, then Soros bought Schumer, Pelosi and how many more, didn't he?

Deflection,away from murders!

[J Craft]

That wasn't an insult, truth, have you ever seen an arguement supporting guns that falls outside of the parameters I noted above?

And gun huggers don't want to address guns, conservatives are more interested in spreading guns, look at the gun carry reciprocal legislation they just snuck thru the House, they have no interest in any measure of any kind that could help alleviate gun violence or school shootings if it means taking a serious look at regulating weapons, weapons of any kind

As I said, pointless

*When a drunk driver kills innocent persons you don’t blame cars, you blame the driver.
*When a terrorist blows up a building killing innocents, you don’t blame bombs, you blame the bomber.
*When a lone gun man kills innocent people you don’t blame guns, you blame the gun own...errr...ooops, wait, what?

[RB 60]

Deflection,away from murders!

You are troubled. You brought up "Explain why the NRA buys Senators and Congressman."
Not me.

[cawacko]

Not “buys” ... “supports.” And most A rated NRA senators and congressmen are voting exactly how their constituents want them to on gun issues or they wouldn’t have been elected.

You hit on a great point. People running for congress know how people in their district feel about guns. They aren't voting a certain way because of what the NRA says, they know if people in their district support guns or not.

[RB 60]

You hit on a great point. People running for congress know how people in their district feel about guns. They aren't voting a certain way because of what the NRA says, they know if people in their district support guns or not.

Exactly. That is the point.

[Mr.Badguy]

You should tell them to lift all special regulations on fully automatic firearms.

[CFM]

I don't, my point is ,"no infringement ",doesn't mean anything goes!

According to the definitions of the word "no" and "infringement" when they are combined, it does.

Read the 2nd amendment. In addition to the words "not" and "infringement" there is one more even more powerful word. Any ideas?