Sirthinksalot (02-16-2018)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Sirthinksalot (02-16-2018)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
leaningright (02-16-2018), Sirthinksalot (02-16-2018)
No, I'm not willing to enact any new regulations. I'm very willing to discuss the numerous laws and regulations already on the books and how they could be better used to decrease violence. But people like you just want to keep passing new laws that restrict the rights of the law abiding and get ignored by the criminals. And you can't even see why there's no common ground
Proposals? There's plenty, personally, I'd like to see guns treated the same way we do automobiles; registration, renewed registration, competence tests, licenses, renewed licenses, specialized licenses for certain weapons, and liability insurance
And now I'm going to get a gun hugger attempt to deflect by lamely telling me cars kill more people than guns
christiefan915 (02-17-2018), ThatOwlWoman (02-16-2018)
Section two is the operative clause, the prefatory clause creates the condition under which the operative clause can relate, neither clause stands by itself, didn't you ever notice that the Second Amendment is the only Amendment with a direct prefatory clause? The Founding Fathers put it there for a reason
I love it, any time anyone challenges guns the same inquiry arises, "what do you propose," but in this case we got "nearly all" as an escape clause
Nothing is going to eliminate all shootings, well, short of banning guns, but realistically we know that ain't happening, the goal is to do your best to reduce future gun violence. You want my proposals, I already stated such, as a minimum, I'd like to see guns treated the same way we do automobiles; registration, renewed registration, competence tests, licenses, renewed licenses, specialized licenses for certain weapons, and liability insurance
No but you will get a gun owner telling you that this is unacceptable. I’ll catch flack for my concession of registration being ok. I’ll even concede that re-registration needs to take place [on re-sale] but shouldn’t be cost prohibitive. But no tests or licensing and certainly no liability insurance.
The whole point of what I want to defend is to keep gun and ammo purchasing affordable for lower middle class to poor folks. That’s what I was when I was growing up. From as early as I can remember I saved any money I could for BB’s which were 6 cents a pack. Later it was 22 shells which I could get for 50 cents a box (of 50) at Walmart. After that it was mowing yards to save for a 30-30 ($125). Before I was 17 I had four long guns I could call my own. This from a lower middle class kid who a passion for hunting. None of this would have been possible for me if I didn’t live in the US. I don’t want their laws over here. I teach classrooms full of kids who share that same passion. I want to keep it available for them.
What you propose leads to cost prohibitive (at least for poor folks) measures and the next thing you know only the affluent would be able to afford to shoot and/or hunt.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Put blame where it belongs
ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.
As is true every time one of these preventable disasters happens -- my first reaction is OMG OMG those poor people, those poor parents. Almost 20 years ago it started with Columbine, and hasn't faded since, whether it was a school or a public venue like Las Vegas or the Pulse nightclub or Virginia Tech or churches or the never-ending parade of workplace shootings.
Then comes the anger, from the gut. Our culture of violence, worship of war, equating weapons with strength and reason with weakness... and most of all.... the mis-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The tunnel vision of the gun-humpers sees only "right to bear arms." It doesn't see the rest about "well-regulated militia." The gun-humpers cry "I've never done anything wrong with my dic....er, guns.... why should I be penalized because some guy with the same guns killed 59 ppl going to a concert?"
Somehow, the right of the gun-suckers to have the "freedom" to own their peni--- um, weapons has triumphed over your right to walk free from harm when you go to church, when you send your children to school, when you take your sweetie to a concert, when you're in your place of work. Like jack-lighted deer, we've let these fellow citizens frighten us into silence just so they can lovingly annoint their dealers-of-death with special oil and cherish them more than they cherish your life or mine -- or the lives of our country's children. We can't give 100% of the blame to the gun-fuckers. They in turn have been jack-lighted by the NRA, the conservative media, and the arms makers by means of fear. They truly believe, at least the stupidest of them, that "regulation" means someone confiscating their cold metal gonads. Then they'll be at the mercy of the thugs, brown people (redundant), and worse of all -- the government -- that the rest of us seem to be able to avoid and/or live in peace with.
christiefan915 (02-17-2018)
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