It is pointless to exchange with a gun hugger on gun reform,

[archives]

wrong again. how can you claim to understand the constitution, bill of rights, and the law when you don't even know your court cases? on top of that, the dozens of commentaries and statements from both delegates as well as popular journalists of the time to ratification and after clearly denote that the right is individual.

Not true, and you wanted a list of cases going back to 1875? I gave you the one you know, well, I assumed you knew given the others didn't decide in the way you'd prefer.

And now your telling us you know more than all of these Supreme Courts over the course of a hundred and fifty years who could never reach the conclusion you just did because of "commentators?" It ain't "commentators" that count, rather the Comstitution, and the way the Constitution is interpreted by the Court

[cash]

they don't understand the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, nor the Supreme Court rulings on the Second Amendment. They generalize the whole concept of freedom, taking an complex abstraction and reducing it to a cliche that would fit a bumper sticker

They all think regulating guns means the AFT is coming to their door to confiscate their toys, they deflect with the same debunked statistical "arguments" advanced by the NRA, repeat the lame talking points they've heard from the demogogues, anticipate Attila and the Huns are planning to break in to their house, and see themselves as Chuck Norris rather than the more applicable Barny Fife

It's pointless, one of the major reasons we have 30,000+ Americans die from guns every year, and what now seems as kids getting shot in schools every other month, it has become as American as apple pie

YOU'RE A FOOL THAT PRETENDS YOU'RE IN THE KNOW, PRETENDING WHAT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS SAYS
ON AND ON. ANOTHER REWRIGHTER OF HISTORY YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT TRYING TO MANIPULATE EVERYTHING TO FIT YOUR WANTS AND DESIRES GO SEW BUTTONS ON YOUR UNDERWARE WILL YA.

BY THE WAY WHEN DO WE START TAKING THINGS FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WHEN IT'S PROVED THAT CRAZY,
MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE ARE DOING WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING. IT'S IDIOTS LIKE YOU THAT WILL BE THE CATALYST TO THE UNDERMINING OF THE CONSTITUTION WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT YOUR GOAL IS ANYWAY

[RB 60]

Maybe cause the Unions purpose isn't to protect that which kills people, and kills them in large numbers quickly

So you want to "protect that which kills people?" How much are you donating to Cruz's defense fund?

[RB 60]

Aren't they? It's a religion to them, love affair, regardless of any rational arguement they cling to myths and propaganda that are irrelevant, peddled by gun manufactures making a buck off dead kids, I could have come up with really derogatory descriptions of I wanted to insult

You don't have a clue, do you?
Go kiss the Fowl one's ass.

[archives]

YOU'RE A FOOL THAT PRETENDS YOU'RE IN THE KNOW, PRETENDING WHAT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS SAYS
ON AND ON. ANOTHER REWRIGHTER OF HISTORY YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT TRYING TO MANIPULATE EVERYTHING TO FIT YOUR WANTS AND DESIRES GO SEW BUTTONS ON YOUR UNDERWARE WILL YA.

BY THE WAY WHEN DO WE START TAKING THINGS FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WHEN IT'S PROVED THAT CRAZY,
MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE ARE DOING WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING. IT'S IDIOTS LIKE YOU THAT WILL BE THE CATALYST TO THE UNDERMINING OF THE CONSTITUTION WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT YOUR GOAL IS ANYWAY

Wow, bold with capital letters, and it still said nothing beyond the predictable cliches one could hear from listening to talk radio for two minutes

When you got real content to offer get back to us

[archives]

You don't have a clue, do you?
Go kiss the Fowl one's ass.

Meaning, he's got nothing, when the personal crapola appears you know they have run out of content, it is like the towel hitting the canvas

Next

[Irish]

Kinda like libs on abortion. They don't seem to care that 33k babies are killed per day.

[SmarterthanYou]

Not true, and you wanted a list of cases going back to 1875? I gave you the one you know, well, I assumed you knew given the others didn't decide in the way you'd prefer.

And now your telling us you know more than all of these Supreme Courts over the course of a hundred and fifty years who could never reach the conclusion you just did because of "commentators?" It ain't "commentators" that count, rather the Comstitution, and the way the Constitution is interpreted by the Court

first off, again for the learning impaired, the constitution wasn't written by the courts, it was written by we the people. the commentators mattered because this is what was presented to we the people when we voted for ratification. now, unless you have the super secret document that madison presented to the delegates saying 'ha, we fucked em', the right is accepted as individual and the courts, in your suggested cases, are wrong.

and yes, back in 1875 the supreme court KNEW that the right therein was indeed an individual right, but there are also several federal and state cases from before then that mention the same thing. In fact, you don't have a single supreme court case that declares the right as collective because it doesn't exist except in your alternate reality of the miller case.

[RB 60]

Meaning, he's got nothing, when the personal crapola appears you know they have run out of content, it is like the towel hitting the canvas

Next

So you want to "protect that which kills people?" Again, how much are you donating to Cruz's defense fund?

[cash]

Wow, bold with capital letters, and it still said nothing beyond the predictable cliches one could hear from listening to talk radio for two minutes

When you got real content to offer get back to us

YES YOU'RE SUCH A DEEP THINKER REJECTING EVERYTHING UNLESS IT'S YOUR AGENDA
THANK GOD YOU DO NOTHING MORE THAN RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH AND ARE NOT IN
ANY RESPONSIBLE POSITION.

I REALIZE YOU THIS COWERING LITTLE CORNER DWELLER GUY SO SCARED OF THOSE
BIG BAD GUNS SISSY

[Eagle_Eye]

How many of those "other causes" have ever killed 17 kids in a school in three minutes? Fifty eight people at a concert in a few more minutes? In shopping Malls, movie theaters, nightclubs, all in the matter of minutes?

Least with Automobiles we have successful taken steps as seat belts, air bags, speed limits, etc. to bring the potential casualties down, with guns, we've made it easier

Ok cars are never used as weapons.

"Manhattan, New York
Date of attack: October 31, 2017
Number of casualties: At least eight people were killed and about a dozen were injured, authorities said.
What happened: The driver of a rental truck hopped a curb and drove down the bicycle path on the west side of West Side Highway in Lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center. After crashing the truck into a school bus, the suspect exited the vehicle while displaying imitation firearms and was shot in the abdomen by a police officer, according to the New York Police Department.


Photos: Manhattan truck attack
Bicycles and debris are scattered on the bike path.
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Four people on the school bus had minor injuries after the truck crashed into it, a police official said. After hitting the bus, the driver exited the truck and was shot by police while displaying imitation firearms, according to the NYPD.
Manhattan truck attack
New York City police work in Manhattan after a rental truck drove down a busy bicycle path and struck people on Tuesday, October 31. At least eight people were killed in the incident, which is being investigated as terrorism, according to multiple law enforcement sources. A suspect is in custody."

Yea let's blame guns.

[Eagle_Eye]

Are you pretending school shootings
haven't happened?

Does my quote say that? The point is murder using a gun is the #10 cause of death in this country. That sport includes school shootings.

[iolo]

You don't have a clue, do you?
Go kiss the Fowl one's ass.

As you know, you and the NRA murder-protectors are a disgrace to your country in the eyes of the civilized world.

[iolo]

Ok cars are never used as weapons.

"Manhattan, New York
Date of attack: October 31, 2017
Number of casualties: At least eight people were killed and about a dozen were injured, authorities said.
What happened: The driver of a rental truck hopped a curb and drove down the bicycle path on the west side of West Side Highway in Lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center. After crashing the truck into a school bus, the suspect exited the vehicle while displaying imitation firearms and was shot in the abdomen by a police officer, according to the New York Police Department.


Photos: Manhattan truck attack
Bicycles and debris are scattered on the bike path.
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Photos: Manhattan truck attack
First responders gather at the scene.
Hide Caption
5 of 7


Photos: Manhattan truck attack
Four people on the school bus had minor injuries after the truck crashed into it, a police official said. After hitting the bus, the driver exited the truck and was shot by police while displaying imitation firearms, according to the NYPD.
Manhattan truck attack
New York City police work in Manhattan after a rental truck drove down a busy bicycle path and struck people on Tuesday, October 31. At least eight people were killed in the incident, which is being investigated as terrorism, according to multiple law enforcement sources. A suspect is in custody."

Yea let's blame guns.

Oh, Jesus, the total boredom of having to read gun-nuts discussing traffic! Do grow up!

[RB 60]

As you know, you and the NRA murder-protectors are a disgrace to your country in the eyes of the civilized world.

Show us where the NRA protects murderers.
You are a simple minded fool, but everyone knows this...