It is pointless to exchange with a gun hugger on gun reform,

[ThatOwlWoman]

glad you finally learned something.

FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS

[ThatOwlWoman]

Proposals? There's plenty, personally, I'd like to see guns treated the same way we do automobiles; registration, renewed registration, competence tests, licenses, renewed licenses, specialized licenses for certain weapons, and liability insurance

And now I'm going to get a gun hugger attempt to deflect by lamely telling me cars kill more people than guns

Ditto. Well said.

To the gun-kissing knuckle-draggers, "regulation" = confiscation.
Plus they're afraid they can't qualify.

[iewitness]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. case closed. any infringement is unlawful and unenforceable.

[SmarterthanYou]

Here we go with the Second Amendment again, didn't I mention they don't understand it nor the Bill of Rights? Little history lesson for yoy

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Making it real simple, since the 19th Century the Supreme Court in numerous cases interpreting the Second Amendment has never gotten beyond the prefatory clause, "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of the free State." The prefatory clause is the purpose of the Amendment, what makes the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed" relevant, and if you can't say what the prefatory clause means your just guessing on the remainder of the Amendment

The Roberts Court, owned by Scalia, figured it out by just rejecting precedent and skipping over the prefatory clause largely on the basis that it was too difficult. They ruled that if someone in DC wanted to own a gun to keep in his house for self defense it would be acceptable, a weak decision proven by the fact that the NRA has attempted numerous cases using Heller as a precedent to eliminate regulations of guns and have lost the vast majority of the cases. Even the Roberts Court has refused to hear several of them

Lastly, even Scalia warned in Heller that no right is absolute, and that the regulation of guns was totally legal

And from what I have seen, the tag Barney Fife fits perfectly, it ain't those who favor gun regulation that feel the need to assemble an arsenal in their home for protection

the constitution forbids states to have their own standing forces, so just what the hell did you think they meant by a well regulated militia?

[Mr.Badguy]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. case closed. any infringement is unlawful and unenforceable.

How many fully automatic firearms do you own?

[SmarterthanYou]

See above, I'm tired teaching gun huggers the Constitution and Second Amendment they think they know

you can't teach the 2nd Amendment unless you understand it. you do not.

[SmarterthanYou]

Section two is the operative clause, the prefatory clause creates the condition under which the operative clause can relate, neither clause stands by itself, didn't you ever notice that the Second Amendment is the only Amendment with a direct prefatory clause? The Founding Fathers put it there for a reason

provide the direct and specific documentation that dictates EXACTLY what the well regulated militia is.

[SmarterthanYou]

As is true every time one of these preventable disasters happens

present us your ideas of preventable.

Then comes the anger, from the gut. Our culture of violence, worship of war, equating weapons with strength and reason with weakness... and most of all.... the mis-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

then why does the government have guns? and w

It doesn't see the rest about "well-regulated militia."

what was the definition of well regulated militia at time of ratification?

[SmarterthanYou]

How many fully automatic firearms do you own?

only the rich and wealthy get to own fully autos because of the cost. didn't you know that?

[Mr.Badguy]

only the rich and wealthy get to own fully autos because of the cost. didn't you know that?

Do you feel infringed upon by their prohibitive price point?

[ThatOwlWoman]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. case closed. any infringement is unlawful and unenforceable.

Hopefully someday soon you will insert yours into an orifice and infringe on it.

[Mason Michaels]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. case closed. any infringement is unlawful and unenforceable.

Does that mean I can buy a M-16 fully functional?
A bazooka?

[CFM]

Does that mean I can buy a M-16 fully functional?
A bazooka?

Sure, why not. Can you explain why you would want one?

[CFM]

Hopefully someday soon you will insert yours into an orifice and infringe on it.

Looks to me as if someone already did that to you.

As for you being the one to do what you say you hope happen, we both know it won't be you. You're too busy cowardly hiding behind the ignore feature.

[Mason Michaels]

Sure, why not. Can you explain why you would want one?

I don't, my point is ,"no infringement ",doesn't mean anything goes!