Question For Guns Owners About Purchases

[cawacko]

Please excuse my ignorance here as I've not bought a gun and this isn't trying to make a political point one way or the other, i'm just curious about the process. Is it worth it (economically) for a gun store to make a sale to a shady type person without doing full background checks or is there too much liability involved or just not worth the hassle? Basically to boost sale numbers would some stores be willing (or even able to) let some rules slide?

[Peridot]

Please excuse my ignorance here as I've not bought a gun and this isn't trying to make a political point one way or the other, i'm just curious about the process. Is it worth it (economically) for a gun store to make a sale to a shady type person without doing full background checks or is there too much liability involved or just not worth the hassle? Basically to boost sale numbers would some stores be willing (or even able to) let some rules slide?

Absolutely not. At BEST you're gonna make $200 off the vast majority of your sales (usually less). It's absolutely not worth it to even try and skip the NICS check, especially since the ATF will audit you and find out.

[Bourbon]

I agree ... absolutely not ... not in Illinois ... if you get pinched by the State Police and the AG, kiss your Licence good by, and say hello to jail.

[Sailor]

I agree ... absolutely not ... not in Illinois ... if you get pinched by the State Police and the AG, kiss your Licence good by, and say hello to jail.

Same in Mass.

[Bourbon]

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0

• Chances that a shooting in a hospital emergency department involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5
Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.

Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.

• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

• 43 percent of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.

• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.

[Sirthinksalot]

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0

Really? It happened just over 3 months ago in Texas.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/te...ion/index.html

I wouldn't expect too much accuracy from Mother Jones.

[archives]

Please excuse my ignorance here as I've not bought a gun and this isn't trying to make a political point one way or the other, i'm just curious about the process. Is it worth it (economically) for a gun store to make a sale to a shady type person without doing full background checks or is there too much liability involved or just not worth the hassle? Basically to boost sale numbers would some stores be willing (or even able to) let some rules slide?

Anybody can get a gun, access is the major problem, and given the vast numbers of guns out there, it is very difficult to control access.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-gun/84261032/

Find yourself a gun show and it is even easier

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gun-show-loop/

[archives]

Really? It happened just over 3 months ago in Texas.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/te...ion/index.html

I wouldn't expect too much accuracy from Mother Jones.

One, got anymore?

[Sirthinksalot]

One, got anymore?

• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

7 assaults or murders committed by criminals should not prevent law abiding people from owning guns. People commit suicide in all kinds of ways. Did you know that despite strict gun control laws, Japan has a higher suicide rate than the US? Other people's carelessness should not impact my ability to exercise my constitutional rights.

I would think one blatant falaehood is enough to discredit the post. You don't?

[Sailor]

Anybody can get a gun, access is the major problem, and given the vast numbers of guns out there, it is very difficult to control access.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-gun/84261032/

Find yourself a gun show and it is even easier

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gun-show-loop/

Buy it on the street as most criminals do, it is a piece of cake.

[cash]

just like every business there are crooked people, short list doctors, police, gun dealers, lawyers
in every professional and non professional in the world. the list goes on and on. so yes if some
want to sell guns or drugs or smuggled diamonds or money illegally it will happen just as it does
in every business in the world. guns move in and out everywhere in every country.

people and innocents get killed doing all sorts of things that are illegal to deal in.
bush number2 killed 300 thousand Iraqi children, women, men in a war that was a lie and illegal

[PraiseKek]

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0

• Chances that a shooting in a hospital emergency department involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5
Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.

Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.

• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

• 43 percent of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.

• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.

"Mother Jones,"? Kill yourself faggot.

[NOVA]

All states require some form of background check to buy a gun from a dealer. Most do not require it to buy from an individual, that would be too hard to enforce. The problem with that is lets say I go to a gun store wait for the background check, get cleared and get my gun. I can immediately sell it to someone else who will not have a background check done and do it legally. With that in mind, background checks are pretty useless. There are issues with gun shows and people who live in cities that do not allow gun ownership simply going to another state ot gun show and buying a gun. I own a gun and do not mind background checks but the enforcement is nearly impossible. There are ample gun laws on the books right now and we are talking about adding more and gun checks is one of them, to include individual sales gun shows and all gun transactions but I simply do not see how such a law can possibly be enforced. What if I own a gun, die and my son gets the gun, he then sells it but there is no record he ever had it. Then the man who buys it, with no record of the sale can sell it to anyone he wants and no one can trace it back to him. Suppose someone breaks into my house and steals my gun then sells it. I've reported it stolen but no one knows who has it and that person can sell it easily. Then too I pass a background check, but they do not check my family members , only me. In my family there could be a felon or two, a mental patient or a drug user and they could gain access to my gun.

The Fla. shooter purchased his rifle from a dealer and required a FBI background check.....

[PraiseKek]

One, got anymore?

One is enough to debunk your bullshit faggot.

[archives]

Buy it on the street as most criminals do, it is a piece of cake.

And the probability is that that gun bought on the street was at one time purchased legally, as I said, the problem is access