Nikolas Cruz was allowed to keep the AR-15, if it was stored in a locked safe.

[Jarod]

It was illegal for the kid could buy a beer, but he legally bought that killing machine.

[CharacterAssassin]

No, and not really.

Oh, child. You're so out of your depth here.

Do you think that US citizens have a 'right' to own and deploy mustard gas? What about nukes?

How about to label their political enemies as child molesters?

There are public safety/health reasons, as well as national security reasons, as to why there are no absolute rights.|

Even the 1st Amendment is restricted.

Please be less retarded and try and be less of a dumbass, dumbass.

[Minister of Truth]

Oh, child. You're so out of your depth here.

Do you think that US citizens have a 'right' to own and deploy mustard gas? What about nukes?

How about to label their political enemies as child molesters?

There are public safety/health reasons, as well as national security reasons, as to why there are no absolute rights.|

Even the 1st Amendment is restricted.

Please be less retarded and try and be less of a dumbass, dumbass.

Those items aren't "arms," and fit a different classification of weaponry. The Constitution and common law already recognize such concepts as libel, slander, copyright, patents, etc.

[cawacko]

It was illegal for the kid could buy a beer, but he legally bought that killing machine.

Need to lower the drinking age

[Nordberg]

I suspect he took it out of the safe,.

[Damocles]

Every applicant for a firearms licence should have a certificate from a doctor stating they are not subject to mental impairment.

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Imagine how people would react if they said, "Every person who is registering to vote should have a certificate from a doctor stating they are not subject to mental impairment."

And voting isn't even an enumerated right.

[Damocles]

Teenagers with violence and mental issues should not legally own an AR-15

True. Mental illness needs to be dealt with.

[domer76]

Imagine how people would react if they said, "Every person who is registering to vote should have a certificate from a doctor stating they are not subject to mental impairment."

And voting isn't even an enumerated right.

Difficult for one person to engage in mass slaughter with a ballot in their hand. Death from multiple paper cuts?

[Damocles]

Difficult for one person to engage in mass slaughter with a ballot in their hand. Death from multiple paper cuts?

Which doesn't change one iota of what I stated. It simply compares how people talk about one of the rights we believed important enough to enumerate, and how people react to a right which is absolutely understood not to be a "right" to anyone but a citizen.

I'm not sure how it is going to happen, but positive certification is doubtless out of the question. "Shall not be infringed" doesn't mean, "must be government certified".

[domer76]

Which doesn't change one iota of what I stated. It simply compares how people talk about one of the rights we believed important enough to enumerate, and how people react to a right which is absolutely understood not to be a "right" to anyone but a citizen.

I'm not sure how it is going to happen, but positive certification is doubtless out of the question. "Shall not be infringed" doesn't mean, "must be government certified".

All rights are limited and SCOTUS has ruled accordingly on the 2nd, so spare me the “shall not be infringed” bullshit. It may be a rallying cry for the Constitutionally challenged barrel-strokers, but it is a laughable, trite little mantra to those who know better.

Sadly, you are EXACTLY wrong on the “government certified”. That’s what is referred to a background check, isn’t it?

[Damocles]

All rights are limited and SCOTUS has ruled accordingly on the 2nd, so spare me the “shall not be infringed” bullshit. It may be a rallying cry for the Constitutionally challenged barrel-strokers, but it is a laughable, trite little mantra to those who know better.

Sadly, you are EXACTLY wrong on the “government certified”. That’s what is referred to a background check, isn’t it?

Not really, a background check looks at information, it does not require somebody to take specific action to gain a certification before exercising a right. For instance, the SCOTUS ruled that a test to certify a voter for registration was unconstitutional as it is a right afforded to all citizens. Since this is a personal right the same would be the case here. While you can check whether a voter is registered to vote and give them a ballot, you cannot make them take a test to certify eligibility to register so they can then get a ballot.

Basically, checking your name against a list (whether you've been convicted of certain types of crimes in this case) okay (like checking voter registration roles), asking somebody to go to a doctor and get a certification of mental stability is not okay (like asking voters to take a test to verify the ability to understand their vote was not okay).

Anyway, we agree. Nutjobs shouldn't get to buy and keep weapons. We disagree on how it will be done, and basically for the reasons I've outlined.

[Kobie]

You are leaving out one VERY important fact

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018...-person-video/

The FBI knew about this kid in September 2017 but according to them they couldn't verify it was the same Nikolas Cruz because I guess there are MILLIONS of them.

I am disinclined to believe the rest of your post as you have been prone to lie here in the past, however I am truly sorry for the loss of life and it is tragic as is all loss of life regardless of how it happens. Whether it is at the hands of a psycho with a gun, or a butcher with a scalpel that scrapes a baby out of a woman's uterus and crushes its skull with forceps, or whether it is a muslime terrorist doing it in the name of Allah. Wouldn't you agree?

I love how you try to throw a "fact" in someone's face and then cite the Gateway Pundit. You're a fucking idiot.

[Kobie]

If somebody had asked why an 18 year old needed an AR15 with large capacity magazines, then this tragedy might have been avoided? I find it particularly noteworthy that you've not said one thing about the victims, caring only about the potential.imoact on you.

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It's not particularly noteworthy. These self-entitled twats don't give two fiddler's fucks about 20 dead kids in Newtown or 17 dead people in Florida or whatever. Nothing can get in the way of their hobby.

[Kobie]

Actually, I care deeply about what happened to the victims. I am sorry that shit for brains like you feel the need to politicize this before they even take away the dead bodies.

Yes, I do worry about how this impacts my civil liberties and Constitutional Rights. I know you limey brits have squandered yours away.

Yeah, you fucking gunfuckers whine and cry about "they're politicizing their deaths, it's too soon!" And those bodies are barely in the ground before the next one happens.

Tell us, you syphillitic pustule, when IS the right time to talk about it?

[cancel2 2022]

Imagine how people would react if they said, "Every person who is registering to vote should have a certificate from a doctor stating they are not subject to mental impairment."

And voting isn't even an enumerated right.

Imagine a country that does exactly that, yes that's right the UK!



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