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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    That's why we have deities. They're omnipotent, and your idea of a father, isn't.
    Plural? There are multiple omnipotent deities? Whooda thunkit?

    Of course, you're the idiot who claims there are 560+ races in the United States.

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    There is a always a personality behind the scene
    The above statement is the maxim:

    There is a always a personality behind the scene: "The God is a Person Principle" (or "Why Atheistic Philosophers can't deny that there is always a personality behind the scene"):

    Q. Who is the personification of the American Dollar Bill?
    A. George Washington.

    Q. Who is the Living Personification of the American Dollar Bill?
    A. Donald Trump.

    Q. Who is the personification of the State of New York'?
    A. The Governor (Andy Cuomo)

    Q. Who is the personification of one of the many regional Counties of New York State?
    A. The County Executive.

    Q. Who is the personification of one of the many Congressional Districts of New York State?
    A. The Congressman/State Representative.

    Q. Who is the personification of New York City?
    A. The Mayor (Mr. Bill de Blasio).

    Q. Who is the personification of one of the many Districts of New York City?
    A. The Councilman/Ombudsman.

    Q. Who is the personification of any 'Block and Lot' tax-parcel of land?
    A. The title barer (The Land owner).

    Q. Who is the personification of the any Apartment building?
    A. "The Landlord".

    Q. Who is the personification of any apartment?
    A. The tenant.

    Q. Who is the personification of the room with the football and the many toy Trains?
    A. One of the male children.

    Q. Who is the personification of nursery room?
    A. The Baby.

    The point of my illustration is:
    "Without the presence of the persona, all paraphernalia is without meaning nor purpose for existing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    ...cannot be answered using logic, reason, science, or math.

    It just cannot be done...or at least, I am asserting that it cannot. I've tried...never come close. I've challenged hundreds of others to give it a shot...none has ever come close.

    I am inviting anyone who can prove the assertion wrong...or show substantially that it most likely is wrong...to do so.

    To make my assertion even more specific...and more encompassing...I'm going to expand it:

    One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "At least one god exists."

    One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "No gods exist."

    One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "It is more likely that at least one god exists...than that no gods exist."

    One cannot use logic, reason, science, or math...to substantiate "It is more likely that no gods exist...than that at least one god exists."

    Comments would be appreciated.

    Proving me wrong would be even more appreciated.
    reason: Verb
    To think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

    Logic and reason support the belief in God. You can try to argue that God doesn't exist. It just can't be done. The simple fact is that we exist. The universe exists. It is a universe of laws and order. If this, then that...It is the basis of all scientific understanding. There is evidence for the existence of God. It's right there. Look at it. It stands up to any amount of reason or logic. God reveals Himself to those who diligently seek Him. If you haven't found Him, then you aren't looking hard enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    reason: Verb
    To think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

    Logic and reason support the belief in God. You can try to argue that God doesn't exist. It just can't be done. The simple fact is that we exist. The universe exists. It is a universe of laws and order. If this, then that...It is the basis of all scientific understanding. There is evidence for the existence of God. It's right there. Look at it. It stands up to any amount of reason or logic. God reveals Himself to those who diligently seek Him. If you haven't found Him, then you aren't looking hard enough.
    The very last thing logic and reason do...is to support the belief in God.

    A "belief" in God...which is to say, the blind guess that a particular god exists...is nothing more than that...a blind guess.

    I do agree with you on one thing: If you diligently seek the god...you will "find" him.

    DILIGENTLY seek Zeus...and you will find him. If you don't...the problem is not that Zeus does not exist...it is that you are not being diligent enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    The very last thing logic and reason do...is to support the belief in God.

    A "belief" in God...which is to say, the blind guess that a particular god exists...is nothing more than that...a blind guess.

    I do agree with you on one thing: If you diligently seek the god...you will "find" him.

    DILIGENTLY seek Zeus...and you will find him. If you don't...the problem is not that Zeus does not exist...it is that you are not being diligent enough.
    A belief in God is based on logic and reason. There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief. For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.

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    Poor Francis, aging atheist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    A belief in God is based on logic and reason.
    No it isn't. In essence, a "belief in god" is a blind guess about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

    Wake up.


    There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief.
    There is no need for "evidence" to support a blind guess.

    If you are saying there is "evidence" for your god...you are kidding yourself.

    For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.
    Give it a break. Some of the prophecies are jokes...and the logical torture theists go through to pretend they have been "fulfilled" is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    A belief in God is based on logic and reason. There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief. For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.
    Boils down to one word:

    FAITH
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Boils down to one word:

    FAITH
    Why do some people use the word faith like it's a dirty word? Most people have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. This faith is based on evidence. A faith in God is no different. It is a faith based on evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    A belief in God is based on logic and reason. There is plenty of evidence to support such a belief. For example, the Bible is full of prophecies. There is not a single one that has been proven wrong. There is only one explanation. It is the word of God.
    prove the predictions in the bible came true

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    Why do some people use the word faith like it's a dirty word?
    Most people don't. It is not a dirty word.

    But for the most part, it is used to mean something other than what it is.

    A "belief" is a guess about the unknown. "Faith" is insisting that guess is correct.

    Most people have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. This faith is based on evidence.
    The sun IS NOT GOING TO RISE TOMORROW. It is an illusion.

    The Earth is going to rotate on its axis...and it will give the illusion of the sun rising.

    The "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow...is based on an illusion.

    Thank you for using it.



    A faith in God is no different.
    Yeah!



    It is a faith based on evidence.
    Yeah...just like the sun is going to rise tomorrow.

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