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    Default Are we better off with a discredited FBI?

    How about intel agencies, and the media?

    No - we're less safe, more vulnerable & diminished in ways that most of us probably can't comprehend yet.

    And please don't give me the "they brought it on themselves." Every single bit of this - the Nunes memo, "fake news," conspiracies & overblown suspicion - is designed to protect one man. A guy who makes his living on a foundation of lies & exaggerations, but has somehow inspired a nearly blind loyalty out of not only supporters but many who recognized in the campaign that he IS a con man and charlatan.

    Hannity is the leading voice for most of the charges against these institutions. Just take a few minutes to think about that one.

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    So you think it's okay for the FBI to overturn election results? A coup by the FBI is fine by you?

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    Yes, we are. We should, as a matter of principle, always be distrusting of government and the institutions of power, else they are given carte Blanche to abuse it.

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    Nobody's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Just another day of policing our nation and finally treating swamp denizens the same as the average Joe. No one is above the law...least of all the law makers and the law enforcers. We need a little clean-up in the FBI & DOJ. That's all. The organizations will still stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    How about intel agencies, and the media?

    No - we're less safe, more vulnerable & diminished in ways that most of us probably can't comprehend yet.

    And please don't give me the "they brought it on themselves." Every single bit of this - the Nunes memo, "fake news," conspiracies & overblown suspicion - is designed to protect one man. A guy who makes his living on a foundation of lies & exaggerations, but has somehow inspired a nearly blind loyalty out of not only supporters but many who recognized in the campaign that he IS a con man and charlatan.

    Hannity is the leading voice for most of the charges against these institutions. Just take a few minutes to think about that one.
    Awww your coup attempt was exposed you fascist little piggy, too bad so sad.

    Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

    AND:

    1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.



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    4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was—according to his June 2017 testimony—“salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations.

    a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.


    The Obama/Clinton DOS is next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    How about intel agencies, and the media?

    No - we're less safe, more vulnerable & diminished in ways that most of us probably can't comprehend yet.

    And please don't give me the "they brought it on themselves." Every single bit of this - the Nunes memo, "fake news," conspiracies & overblown suspicion - is designed to protect one man. A guy who makes his living on a foundation of lies & exaggerations, but has somehow inspired a nearly blind loyalty out of not only supporters but many who recognized in the campaign that he IS a con man and charlatan.

    Hannity is the leading voice for most of the charges against these institutions. Just take a few minutes to think about that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Nobody's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Just another day of policing our nation and finally treating swamp denizens the same as the average Joe. No one is above the law...least of all the law makers and the law enforcers. We need a little clean-up in the FBI & DOJ. That's all. The organizations will still stand.
    I've given up on thing -you handled that just fine

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    The FBI isn't discredited just the right wing wing nuts are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    How about intel agencies, and the media?

    No - we're less safe, more vulnerable & diminished in ways that most of us probably can't comprehend yet.

    And please don't give me the "they brought it on themselves." Every single bit of this - the Nunes memo, "fake news," conspiracies & overblown suspicion - is designed to protect one man. A guy who makes his living on a foundation of lies & exaggerations, but has somehow inspired a nearly blind loyalty out of not only supporters but many who recognized in the campaign that he IS a con man and charlatan.

    Hannity is the leading voice for most of the charges against these institutions. Just take a few minutes to think about that one.
    They brought it on themselves

    Your argument seems to be “we have to live with FBI corruption”

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    The FBI is all screwed up right now. They need to be going after politicians like Hillary Clinton who think they are above the law.

    The FBI is now part of the swamp that needs to be drained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Nobody's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Just another day of policing our nation and finally treating swamp denizens the same as the average Joe. No one is above the law...least of all the law makers and the law enforcers. We need a little clean-up in the FBI & DOJ. That's all. The organizations will still stand.
    I appreciate the response, and agree that no one is above the law.

    Do you think the Nunes memo justifies a conclusion that there is systemic corruption & abuse in the FBI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    The FBI isn't discredited just the right wing wing nuts are
    No the FBI and DOJ are.

    Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

    AND:

    1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.



    AND:

    4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was—according to his June 2017 testimony—“salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations.

    a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    I appreciate the response, and agree that no one is above the law.

    Do you think the Nunes memo justifies a conclusion that there is systemic corruption & abuse in the FBI?
    I think the unavoidable conclusion is that ‘an element’ within the FBI used the powers granted to them, by Congress, for political purposes.

    And you’re ok with this? Shouldn’t Nunes be a hero to democrats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    I appreciate the response, and agree that no one is above the law.

    Do you think the Nunes memo justifies a conclusion that there is systemic corruption & abuse in the FBI?
    It absolutely does:

    Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

    AND:

    1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.



    AND:

    4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was—according to his June 2017 testimony—“salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations.

    a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peridot View Post
    Yes, we are. We should, as a matter of principle, always be distrusting of government and the institutions of power, else they are given carte Blanche to abuse it.
    Nice. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

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