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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    The article is about the Powell memo - Powell worked for Nixon, wrote the memo for his presidency, and was put on the Supreme Court by Nixon to begin changing the constitution to help increase business power.
    The article says there was massive growth in the federal government under LBJ and Nixon and many businesses that weren't previously affected now were and thus they joined together to fight for their rights. It's what happens when government grows as it has

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The article says there was massive growth in the federal government under LBJ and Nixon and many businesses that weren't previously affected now were and thus they joined together to fight for their rights. It's what happens when government grows as it has
    They went far, far beyond anything about 'big government' at the time to radically change the US into an anti-democracy country ruled by the rich.

    It was a hostile takeover and blaming things like the creation of Medicare and the EPA for it is evil and unwarranted, like blaming the genocide of Native Americans on an incident Americans were killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    You don't understand what starve means. The debt is the tool the Republicans use to force massive cuts in social spending that they can't otherwise pass. That's why every big deficit increase in peacetime has been under a Republican administration.

    They keep jacking up military spending - that also cuts the funds available for the people on social spending.
    They are going to make massive cuts in social programs by increasing domestic spending by $60 billion this year and $78 billion next year? The defense increases did not cut any social programs, many of which are entitlements requiring government to spend all the money necessary to pay all those who qualify.

    If they are going to make massive cuts to social programs by increasing domestic spending by $138 billion in only two years they are going about it in a strange way. Those who always say Republicans are going to make big cuts in social programs have yet to be correct.

    The Mother Jones article on corporate tax rates (hardly a reliable source) shows corporate taxes which is C-Corporations. As my article pointed out most corporations and most corporate income now comes from S-Corporations which are taxed through individual tax rates; so, most corporate taxes are not included under that percentage of taxes paid by corporations. Very misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They are going to make massive cuts in social programs by increasing domestic spending by $60 billion this year and $78 billion next year? The defense increases did not cut any social programs, many of which are entitlements requiring government to spend all the money necessary to pay all those who qualify.

    If they are going to make massive cuts to social programs by increasing domestic spending by $138 billion in only two years they are going about it in a strange way. Those who always say Republicans are going to make big cuts in social programs have yet to be correct.

    The Mother Jones article on corporate tax rates (hardly a reliable source) shows corporate taxes which is C-Corporations. As my article pointed out most corporations and most corporate income now comes from S-Corporations which are taxed through individual tax rates; so, most corporate taxes are not included under that percentage of taxes paid by corporations. Very misleading.
    The only "cuts" the Republicans have ever made is to slow down the growth of certain programs. It plays well to Democratic partisans when people say Republicans are going to end S.S. and Medicare but it's all B.S. Like you said, they cut nothing in this most recent budget. They're just spending like money grows on trees...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They are going to make massive cuts in social programs by increasing domestic spending by $60 billion this year and $78 billion next year? The defense increases did not cut any social programs, many of which are entitlements requiring government to spend all the money necessary to pay all those who qualify.
    You are clearly totally unfamiliar with the concept of what I told you about, Republicans using debt as a weapon against social spending. Read about Grover Norquist and google the topic. And for more info:

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...a-thirty-years



    If they are going to make massive cuts to social programs by increasing domestic spending by $138 billion in only two years they are going about it in a strange way. Those who always say Republicans are going to make big cuts in social programs have yet to be correct.

    The Mother Jones article on corporate tax rates (hardly a reliable source) shows corporate taxes which is C-Corporations. As my article pointed out most corporations and most corporate income now comes from S-Corporations which are taxed through individual tax rates; so, most corporate taxes are not included under that percentage of taxes paid by corporations. Very misleading.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The only "cuts" the Republicans have ever made is to slow down the growth of certain programs. It plays well to Democratic partisans when people say Republicans are going to end S.S. and Medicare but it's all B.S. Like you said, they cut nothing in this most recent budget. They're just spending like money grows on trees...
    Medicare and Medicaid are facing over $1 trillion less funding because of the tax heist for the rich bill that just passed.

    You want to talk to me about cuts versus reduced increases, get back to me when the population is 'cut' and medical costs are 'cut'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid are facing over $1 trillion less funding because of the tax heist for the rich bill that just passed.

    You want to talk to me about cuts versus reduced increases, get back to me when the population is 'cut' and medical costs are 'cut'.
    Medicare and Medicaid have been on unsustainable paths just like S.S. Congress knows this they just choose not to act. And tax cuts aren't the reason the programs are in the shape they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid have been on unsustainable paths just like S.S. Congress knows this they just choose not to act. And tax cuts aren't the reason the programs are in the shape they are.
    Yep those programs are in trouble, just like our entire medical system. If you paid attention to any presidential debates the last couple decades, doing something about the horrible rising costs of our healthcare and its general poor quality have been argued over and over. If you read any political stories during that time, the alarm about the growing cost of healthcare was front and center. Obama finally got a better system started and the Repubs tore it apart. They sabotaged it and fought it every step. But our overall health care is unsustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Yep those programs are in trouble, just like our entire medical system. If you paid attention to any presidential debates the last couple decades, doing something about the horrible rising costs of our healthcare and its general poor quality have been argued over and over. If you read any political stories during that time, the alarm about the growing cost of healthcare was front and center. Obama finally got a better system started and the Repubs tore it apart. They sabotaged it and fought it every step. But our overall health care is unsustainable.
    The ACA has nothing to do with cost it was about coverage. Our politicians choose not to make any hard choices regarding costs because we don't force them too

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid have been on unsustainable paths just like S.S. Congress knows this they just choose not to act. And tax cuts aren't the reason the programs are in the shape they are.
    They're not, they're easily fixed, but Republicans want to destroy them, not fix them, and tax cuts are a big part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The ACA has nothing to do with cost it was about coverage. Our politicians choose not to make any hard choices regarding costs because we don't force them too
    The ACA had a lot of cost controls, which is why healthcare cost increased at the lowest rate in 60 years when it went in effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    The ACA had a lot of cost controls, which is why healthcare cost increased at the lowest rate in 60 years when it went in effect.
    That is IF YOU REFUSE to use the cost of INSURANCE as a healthcare cost. Its a contradiction in logic and reason you say its a right for everyone to be insured then you attempt to vacate the actual cost of that forced insurance as a healthcare cost.

    No one can deny the entire thing remains an income redistribution scam....forcing the young to redistribute their income to the old in order for more people to say, I AM INSURED....even if that insurance is worthless and expensive. What good is it to have a car if you there is no gas to power it? What good is insurance to the poor when there is a 3k deductible before it can be used and when it is used the quality of the service is worse than the free care they used under Medicade...as not every Physician is forced to accept ACA.....another lie that got swept under the political rug so this SCAM could be implemented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    They're not, they're easily fixed, but Republicans want to destroy them, not fix them, and tax cuts are a big part of the problem.
    It is true. They are overwhelming the budget and it's only going to get worse as boomers retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    They're not, they're easily fixed, but Republicans want to destroy them, not fix them, and tax cuts are a big part of the problem.
    Sorry man, saying Republicans want to destroy them is a flat out lie. We can go back to Nixon if you would like as grew the great society as much if not more than LBJ. And republicans in congress have gone along with all liberalizations to entitlements (other than reforming welfare). Republicans have supported Medicare and contributed to it being in the trouble it is

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    Does anyone remember what the cost of a Physician's visit was before the Politicians got so concerned about our healthcare costs? About 15 bucks. Yet...everyone demands the government cure a problem they caused in the first place? Really?

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