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    Default California bullet train cost surges by $2.8 billion

    This isn't surprising for those who have been following. Nor will the next announcement of billions in cost overruns be a surprise either. It is interesting that none of the Gubernatorial candidates have discussed this in debates. I mean not surprising they would want to avoid it but considering how big of an issue it is shouldn't their opinions be known?




    California bullet train cost surges by $2.8 billion: 'Worst-case scenario has happened'


    The estimated cost of building 119 miles of bullet train track in the Central Valley has jumped to $10.6 billion, an increase of $2.8 billion from the current budget and up from about $6 billion originally.

    The new calculation takes into account a number of intractable problems encountered by the state rail agency. It raises profoundly difficult questions about how the state will complete what is considered the nation’s largest infrastructure project with the existing funding sources.

    The new estimate was presented Tuesday by Roy Hill, who leads the main consulting firm on the project, WSP (formerly Parson Brinckerhoff). Hill said the cost increases were mainly driven by problems including higher costs for land acquisition, issues in relocating utility systems, the need for safety barriers where the bullet trains would operate near freight lines and demands by stakeholders for the mitigation of myriad issues.
    “The worst-case scenario has happened,” Hill bluntly told the rail authority’s board at its regular monthly meeting.

    The board also voted Tuesday to name Brian Kelly as its new chief executive. As secretary of the California Transportation Agency, he had been deeply involved in the project. Kelly said in an interview that high-speed rail remains crucial to the future transportation and economic needs of the state, but acknowledged that it is facing tough challenges that must be addressed.

    As the project’s lead proponent, Gov. Jerry Brown, serves the final year of his term, it will be crucial, Kelly said, to “dive in, stabilize it and restore its credibility.”

    The sharp increase in projected costs could require the California High Speed Rail Authority to return to the state Legislature for a supplemental appropriation from the bonds that voters approved in 2008. The remaining bonds probably would cover the cost increases, but partly deplete funds for further construction beyond the Central Valley.

    The sobering news about the cost increases was long forewarned, though rail authority Chairman Dan Richard has consistently rejected those warnings. About a year ago, the Federal Railroad Administration issued a secret risk analysis that said costs were rising sharply and could hit $9.5 to $10 billion.

    When The Times disclosed the warning, Richard downplayed the analysis. In 2012, WSP briefed a cost analysis for the 2014 business plan, showing sharply higher costs in the Central Valley. The cost estimates were not adopted in the 2014 business plan. Richard was not available for an interview.

    It remains unclear how the Central Valley cost increases will affect the total program, which under the 2016 business plan is supposed to cost $64 billion. But the jump in the Central Valley — a 77% increase above the original estimate — suggests the authority and its consultants have vastly underestimated the difficulties of buying land, obtaining environmental approvals, navigating through complex litigation and much else.
    Outside critics saw the rail authority’s defense of lower cost estimates as part of an effort to politically protect the project.

    “When it comes to large infrastructure investments, it is not unusual for public authorities trying to justify their effort to understate the costs and overstate the benefits,” said James Moore, director of the transportation engineering program at USC. “It is in my opinion overly deceptive. We have seen on transportation projects this militant defense that is meant to cause the public to remain calm.”

    Moore said the surge in costs is likely to foreshadow even greater future increases. On the horizon are more difficult segments, such as the long underground passage through the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains and the route into the urban San Francisco Bay Area.

    The appointment of Kelly and the disclosure of the higher cost together create an existential moment for the massive effort.

    “It is an ‘are you in or are you out?’ point,” said Elizabeth Alexis, who cofounded a watchdog group focused on the project. “The cost increases are forcing us to commit to completing or not.”

    The challenges will apply to the next governor, though in the current campaign the leading candidates are doing their best to avoid talking about the project. Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom has declined requests for an interview on the subject for more than two years, for example. The repayment of the existing bonds will cost about $18 billion in principle and interest over the next 30 years, money that is coming out of the state highway improvement fund.

    Assemblyman Jim Patterson (R-Fresno) said the cost estimate “shows the program is in increasing difficulty” and raises the need for an audit that he has been pushing for unsuccessfully. He said he plans to renew his request for an audit at the end of the month.

    Brown did not address the new cost estimate, but said in a news release about Kelly, “Brian has ably led the California State Transportation Agency since its inception and is uniquely qualified to move the nation’s first high-speed rail project forward.”

    Kelly’s appointment fills a vacancy that has lingered since last June when the prior chief, Jeff Morales, left. Kelly will earn a salary of $384,984 — more than he did while at the California Transportation Agency.

    Kelly said he plans to bolster the state staff, relying less on outside consultants. He added that the project needs greater transparency, saying the disclosure of the price calculation was a step in that direction.

    The new estimate evoked some expressions of concern at the high-speed rail board at Tuesday’s meeting.

    “It is horrible when we look at the amount of money we are going to have to invest to make the project work,” said board member Ernest Camacho, who owns a Southern California construction management firm.

    The effect is likely to be felt when the authority issues its 2018 business plan next month.

    Richard said he thought the new estimate had some good news and bad news in it. The good: the agency identified some of the problems beforehand. The bad: it did not accurately estimate the costs of those problems.

    Moving forward, he said, the authority will not start construction on future segments until all the land is in hand, a practice that outside experts have long said is prudent project management.

    In Hill’s presentation to the board, he said intrusion barriers will cost an extra $450 million; land buys, $400 million, delays for not acquiring land, $325 million; satisfying issues raised by localities, $250 million; and relocating wires, pipes and cables used by utilities, $350 million. It means that on the first 31 miles from Madera to Fresno, the costs will jump 35% to $3.4 billion, the biggest single geographical increase.

    Included in the projected $2.8-billion price increase is a $600-million contingency set aside to cover further unexpected problems. That contingency will be funded by unspecified cuts to future construction budgets.


    http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...116-story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    and it will be worth every penny
    On what economic basis do you make that statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    and it will be worth every penny
    They should have done it a decade ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    reality
    Great insight, thank you for that.

    What's sad too this first part in the Central Valley was supposed to be the "easier" portion to build and here we already have years of delays and billions in overruns.

    Gavin Newsom is the front runner to replace Jerry Brown. He was initially for the bullet train then turned against it in 2014 saying it wasn't the same system today that was put in front of voters in 2008.

    However as stated prior he hasn't spoken about it publicly since he announced his run

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    reality
    every town needs a monorail!
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    sure glad there's no federal money involved.....

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    this is NOT the Infrastructure repair/replacement/expansion that Trump is supposed to go to next.

    It's just a boondoogle

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    I am not going to pretend I have enough expertise in this project to speak intelligently about it.

    I think many if not most major infrastructure projects in America have face substantial, even distressing cost over runs.
    This project obviously needs more oversight and transparency.

    I just think having a bullet train is going to be cool. No logic behind it, those trains are just down right cool. And this nation needs to join the rest of western civilization who have been using bullet trains for decades.

    Very few people ever bat an eye at the extraordinary cost over runs that happen routinely at the Pentagon, and there are posters on this board who never made a peep about the trillion plus taxpayer dollars wasted on the Iraq War Fiasco. So, I am going to keep this all in some sort of perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    this is NOT the Infrastructure repair/replacement/expansion that Trump is supposed to go to next.

    It's just a boondoogle
    Don't hold your breath on that one, no one even knows what it is suppose to be, and probably never will, if anything gets done on infrastructure it will be by a bipartisan Congress, the President lacks credibility, the best thing he could do is stay out of the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I am not going to pretend I have enough expertise in this project to speak intelligently about it.

    I think many if not most major infrastructure projects in America have face substantial, even distressing cost over runs.
    This project obviously needs more oversight and transparency.

    I just think having a bullet train is going to be cool. No logic behind it, those trains are just down right cool. And this nation needs to join the rest of western civilization who have been using bullet trains for decades.

    Very few people ever bat an eye at the extraordinary cost over runs that happen routinely at the Pentagon, and there are posters on this board who never made a peep about the trillion plus taxpayer dollars wasted on the Iraq War Fiasco. So, I am going to keep this all in some sort of perspective.
    I agree, can't keep adding lanes to highways forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Don't hold your breath on that one, no one even knows what it is suppose to be, and probably never will, if anything gets done on infrastructure it will be by a bipartisan Congress, the President lacks credibility, the best thing he could do is stay out of the way
    there isn't even an outline yet and you know what the proposals are going to be?

    Trump has frequently criticized roads/bridges and airports..I think that would be part of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Great insight, thank you for that.

    What's sad too this first part in the Central Valley was supposed to be the "easier" portion to build and here we already have years of delays and billions in overruns.

    Gavin Newsom is the front runner to replace Jerry Brown. He was initially for the bullet train then turned against it in 2014 saying it wasn't the same system today that was put in front of voters in 2008.

    However as stated prior he hasn't spoken about it publicly since he announced his run
    We are building the HS2 high speed rail from London to Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds. The costs have escalated to over £50 billion.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_2

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