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    Question WHO &/OR WHAT IS THE DEEP STATE??

    Thoughts?.................................thoughts?..........................................thoughts?.................................................. ........thoughts?
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    The permanent bureaucracy

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    Mueller is putting together a team of Clinton sycophants to help in The Investigation to Nowhere...and you can't find the Deep State?
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking

    As Inauguration Day approached, Obama White House officials grew convinced that the intelligence was damning and that they needed to ensure that as many people as possible inside government could see it, even if people without security clearances could not. Some officials began asking specific questions at intelligence briefings, knowing the answers would be archived and could be easily unearthed by investigators — including the Senate Intelligence Committee, which in early January announced an inquiry into Russian efforts to influence the election.

    At intelligence agencies, there was a push to process as much raw intelligence as possible into analyses, and to keep the reports at a relatively low classification level to ensure as wide a readership as possible across the government — and, in some cases, among European allies. This allowed the upload of as much intelligence as possible to Intellipedia, a secret wiki used by American analysts to share information.

    There was also an effort to pass reports and other sensitive materials to Congress.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/u...n-hacking.html
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    it's politicization of the IC community by it's leadership. (un-elected bureaucrats)
    Sometimes acting in coordiantion with elected officials -but more commonly leaking to publications.

    You have to understand how the Obama strategy of generating many raw intelligence bits across the IC spectrum
    ( with it's previous "walls" removed) leads to generation of more formalized reports.
    The reports are the basis for assessments.

    The many generated reports are then 'stand alone' intel pieces,that can be unmasked and leaked
    to do damage to Trump & associates in this case. Or to steer policy ( like Russiaphobia)

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    THe various intelligence agencies that persist despite the administration. FBI CIA etc etc. They have a vested interest in discrediting wikileaks. Anytime they have been held accountable in the past decade has been because of wikileaks.
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    seriously you ask this everytime. We will give you the same answer everytime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    seriously you ask this everytime. We will give you the same answer everytime.
    it's not an easy concept to grasp. They operate clandestinely -but with openness when it suits them.

    Plus we all want to think our intelligence officials are there to support,rather then empower themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it's not an easy concept to grasp. They operate clandestinely -but with openness when it suits them.

    Plus we all want to think our intelligence officials are there to support,rather then empower themselves
    im annoyed democrats want to dismantle the one thing keeping them in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Thoughts?.................................thoughts?..........................................thoughts?.................................................. ........thoughts?

    "Deep state" is a made-up word that not a single jpp.com wingnut was even using prior to about eight months ago.

    It is a word invented by profiteers in the wingnut paranoia industry as click bait fodder. Industrious wingnuts in the for-profit paranoia industry are smart enough to know they can manipulate rightwingers who will willingly read their dumb web articles, and parrot their conspiracy theories on line, thereby creating a self-perpetuating cycle for practitioners in the wingnut paranoia industry.

    The funny thing I have observed, is that jpp wingnuts don't even realize they are being manipulated; being used as unthinking propaganda parrots. I mean, they don't even stop to think about why they were never even using the word "Deep State" a year ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    im annoyed democrats want to dismantle the one thing keeping them in check.
    is that the Section 702 thing?

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/0...ling-heres-why
    Most of the discussion around the NSA has focused on the phone records surveillance program. Unlike that program, collection done under Section 702 captures content of communications. This could include content in emails, instant messages, Facebook messages, web browsing history, and more.

    Even though it’s ostensibly used for foreign targets, Section 702 surveillance sweeps up the communications of Americans. The NSA has a twisted, and incredibly permissive, interpretation of targeting that includes communications about a target, even if the communicating parties are completely innocent. As John Oliver put it in his interview with former NSA General Keith Alexander: "No, the target is not the American people, but it seems that too often you miss the target and hit the person next to them going, 'Whoa, him!'"

    The NSA has confirmed that it is searching Section 702 data to access American’s communications without a warrant, in what is being called the "back door search loophole." In response to questions from Senator Ron Wyden, former NSA director General Keith Alexander admitted that the NSA specifically searches Section 702 data using "U.S. person identifiers," for example email addresses associated with someone in the U.S.

    The NSA has used Section 702 to justify programs in which the NSA can siphon off large portions of Internet traffic directly from the Internet backbone. These programs exploit the structure of the Internet, in which a significant amount of traffic from around the world flows through servers in the United States. In fact, through Section 702, the NSA has access to information stored by major Internet companies like Facebook and Google.

    Section 702 is likely used for computer security operations. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper noted Section 702's use to obtain communications "regarding potential cyber threats" and to prevent "hostile cyber activities." Richard Ledgett, Deputy Director of NSA, noted the use of intelligence authorities to mitigate cyber attacks.

    The FISA Court has little opportunity to review Section 702 collection. The court approves procedures for 702 collection for up to a year. This is not approval of specific targets, however; "court review [is] limited to 'procedures' for targeting and minimization rather than the actual seizure and searches." This lack of judicial oversight is far beyond the parameters of criminal justice.

    Not only does the FISA Court provide little oversight, Congress is largely in the dark about Section 702 collection as well. NSA spying defenders say that Congress has been briefed on these programs. But other members of Congress have repeatedly noted that it is incredibly difficult to get answers from the intelligence community, and that attending classified hearings means being unable to share any information obtained at such hearings. What’s more, as Senator Barbara Mikulski stated: "'Fully briefed' doesn’t mean that we know what’s going on." Without a full picture of Section 702 surveillance, Congress simply cannot provide oversight.

    Section 702 is not just about keeping us safe from terrorism. It’s a distressingly powerful surveillance tool. While the justification we’ve heard repeatedly is that NSA surveillance is keeping us safer, data collected under Section 702 can be shared in a variety of circumstances, such as ordinary criminal investigations. For example, the NSA has shared intelligence with the Drug Enforcement Agency that has led to prosecutions for drug crimes, all while concealing the source of the data.

    The President has largely ignored Section 702. While the phone records surveillance program has received significant attention from President Obama, in his speeches and his most recent proposal, Section 702 remains nearly untouched.

    The way the NSA uses Section 702 is illegal and unconstitutional—and it violates international human rights law. Unlike searches done under a search warrant authorized by a judge, Section 702 has been used by the NSA to get broad FISA court authorization for general search and seizure of huge swathes of communications. The NSA says this is OK because Section 702 targets foreign citizens. The problem is, once constitutionally protected communications of Americans are swept up, the NSA says these communications are “fair game” for its use.

    Innocent non-Americans don't even get the limited and much abused protections the NSA promises for Americans. Under international human rights law to which the United States is a signatory, the United States must respect the rights of all persons. With so many people outside the United States keeping their data with American companies, and so much information being swept up through mass surveillance, that makes Section 702 the loophole for the NSA to violate the privacy rights of billions of Internet users worldwide.

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    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...2-surveillance
    An unappreciated subplot of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn’s departure as national security advisor is the role it could play in the pending reauthorization debate over Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act. A broad intelligence authority created in 2011, 702 also may have been what made Flynn’s unmasking possible.

    The battle over Section 702 reauthorization figured to be contentious long before President Trump took up residence at the White House. The provision authorizes U.S. intelligence agencies to target, without warrant, the communications of foreign agents located outside the country. But in some cases, 702 also enables collection of emails and phone calls from law-abiding U.S. citizens, which are stored in intelligence databases where they may be exposed to future warrantless unmasking searches.

    Few doubt that Section 702 is essential to American national security. In practice, however, critics of the provision historically have pointed to two key flaws: its lack of transparency and privacy protections. The Flynn affair may have underscored a third: lack of effective oversight. Intelligence agencies still haven't revealed how many Americans' communications have been swept up under 702. The intelligence community also hasn't clarified how this information could be used in legal proceedings. Minimized communications of "masked" persons are subject to warrantless unmasking, which can reveal quite a bit that would be useful in courtroom prosecutions. Without specific legal limits, all that protects Americans' privacy are a given agency's internal policies and sense of responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice in Liberaland View Post
    The permanent bureaucracy
    I've had to deal with both StateCo and FedCo obtaining environmental permits. They can make the process as easy or difficult as they want to.
    Since I also have worked for StateCo as an employee myself, I know why and how.

    I've also fought CityCo by leap frogging over the bureaucrats and appealing directly to the elected representatives. Obtaining damning evidence of intentional disservice and giving it to a City district representative results in some fun fireworks.

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    Deep State - Republican boogeyman created so they would have something to blame their failures on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Deep State - Republican boogeyman created so they would have something to blame their failures on.
    I mean, they just keep moving the goal posts around - even in real time - on what exactly "Deep State" is. At first, it was America's intelligence and security apparatus. Then it got expanded to include the entire federal government bureacracy. Apparently, the National Weather Service is now part of "deep state".

    I have been around long enough to remember when Bush-worshipping message board conservatives - virtually to a man - insisted we need to expand the Patriot Act, expand and enable the intelligence services, and lectured liberals that if one had nothing to hide, then one had nothing to fear from being spied upon.

    I have never heard a valid explanation for the massive goal post move, the 180 degree flip flop on America's national security state. So, one has to assume this is really all about inventing ways to defend their hero, The Orange Clown president.
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    To me, it's just a good indicator & safety mechanism. If I'm conversing w/ someone I don't know, and they start talking about the "deep state," I know to politely excuse myself & get as far away as possible, quickly.

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