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    Much has been said that maligns our education system. I've been oversees, lived not just vacation, and I've seen rigorous education. One place is South Korea. The kids there literally have about 8-10 hours of education a day.

    In Seoul, everything is high rise, next to my building was a school. Kids would be dropped off - I'm guessing between 6-7 pm as I always got home later - and literally picked up at 9pm.

    Is that too much? Should the US change to emulate them?

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    We need to do 2 things to greatly improve educational outcomes in the US.
    1) Get public unions out of education!
    2) Stop wasting class time indoctrinating students with liberal crapola.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    Much has been said that maligns our education system. I've been oversees, lived not just vacation, and I've seen rigorous education. One place is South Korea. The kids there literally have about 8-10 hours of education a day.

    In Seoul, everything is high rise, next to my building was a school. Kids would be dropped off - I'm guessing between 6-7 pm as I always got home later - and literally picked up at 9pm.

    Is that too much? Should the US change to emulate them?
    The word is "overseas".

    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    The word is "overseas".

    Not to a submariner......hehehehehe......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    We need to do 2 things to greatly improve educational outcomes in the US.
    1) Get public unions out of education!
    2) Stop wasting class time indoctrinating students with liberal crapola.
    Does #2 include getting back to teaching the basics that people need to be able to function in society meaning the 3 R's?

    As for #1, I totally agree. Unions that allow someone with the title of teacher to have a job when they couldn't teach a fish to swim produces problems that are hard to overcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    We need to do 2 things to greatly improve educational outcomes in the US.
    1) Get public unions out of education!
    2) Stop wasting class time indoctrinating students with liberal crapola.
    Unions aggravate the situation but do not cause the problem. In those states where unions have no power (cannot strike, etc.) the same kinds of problems exist as those strong union states.

    Very little class time is spent indoctrinating students in anything.

    The main problem is that we do not require students to learn and often class time is wasted doing little or nothing. Because many students will not read too many teachers do not require them to read anything. They spend their time on the latest new trend: currently "collaborative learning" --sticking students in groups and giving the entire group the same grade. If a teacher requires a minimum standard, many students will make poor grade ("C" is considered poor) and administrators and parents complain about the "low" grades.

    Parents have a right to be concerned when their kid brings home A's and B's but cannot pass the standardized tests. They think something is wrong with the test rather than the grades the kids receive. Too many teachers will increase a student's grade, give them extra credit, or other methods to raise their grades. Parents favor standardized tests until their child cannot pass it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Unions aggravate the situation but do not cause the problem. In those states where unions have no power (cannot strike, etc.) the same kinds of problems exist as those strong union states.

    Very little class time is spent indoctrinating students in anything.

    The main problem is that we do not require students to learn and often class time is wasted doing little or nothing. Because many students will not read too many teachers do not require them to read anything. They spend their time on the latest new trend: currently "collaborative learning" --sticking students in groups and giving the entire group the same grade. If a teacher requires a minimum standard, many students will make poor grade ("C" is considered poor) and administrators and parents complain about the "low" grades.

    Parents have a right to be concerned when their kid brings home A's and B's but cannot pass the standardized tests. They think something is wrong with the test rather than the grades the kids receive. Too many teachers will increase a student's grade, give them extra credit, or other methods to raise their grades. Parents favor standardized tests until their child cannot pass it.
    I agree with much of what you're saying, but unions and the union mentality do cause a lot of problems. Notably, many teachers unions have a "last in first out" system when layoffs are involved. If a district needs to lay off X number of teachers, they are required to get rid of the young energetic teachers who don't have seniority. These teachers also command lower salaries. The districts are required to keep the higher paid older teachers because they have seniority. Unionization makes it nearly impossible to get bad teachers out of the classroom.

    I'm not trying to blame all the problems with our education system on the teachers. Uninvolved parents and an inability to discipline disruptive students is also a large part of the problem. I'm willing to bet that students in SK are much better behaved on average than here in the US.

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    The five states were teachers unions are illegal also have the lowest test scores. If you want good test scores you want unionize teachers it's that simple
    Last edited by katzgar; 01-12-2018 at 12:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    The word is "overseas".

    Fuck you asshole

    I give an honest opinion and you fucking troll it

    Pound sand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    I agree with much of what you're saying, but unions and the union mentality do cause a lot of problems. Notably, many teachers unions have a "last in first out" system when layoffs are involved. If a district needs to lay off X number of teachers, they are required to get rid of the young energetic teachers who don't have seniority. These teachers also command lower salaries. The districts are required to keep the higher paid older teachers because they have seniority. Unionization makes it nearly impossible to get bad teachers out of the classroom.

    I'm not trying to blame all the problems with our education system on the teachers. Uninvolved parents and an inability to discipline disruptive students is also a large part of the problem. I'm willing to bet that students in SK are much better behaved on average than here in the US.
    I recognize the problems unions create, especially in firing faculty, but even when those constraints do not exist the process is not very different. An older teacher with 30 years at that school is usually not going to be fired even when legally possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Not to a submariner......hehehehehe......
    We do a lot more than just punch holes in the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    The five states were teachers unions are legal also have the lowest test scores. If you want good test scores you want unionize teachers it's that simple
    This doesn't make any sense??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    Much has been said that maligns our education system. I've been oversees, lived not just vacation, and I've seen rigorous education. One place is South Korea. The kids there literally have about 8-10 hours of education a day.

    In Seoul, everything is high rise, next to my building was a school. Kids would be dropped off - I'm guessing between 6-7 pm as I always got home later - and literally picked up at 9pm.

    Is that too much? Should the US change to emulate them?
    No. Check out the teen suicide rate in Korea. They’re system produces kids capable of memorizing vast amounts of data but utterly lacking in imagination. Then college is Party time and isn’t as rigerous as here in the States.

    Last thing we need is an education system that’s going to produce a bunch of spastic Yurts with no imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    We need to do 2 things to greatly improve educational outcomes in the US.
    1) Get public unions out of education!
    2) Stop wasting class time indoctrinating students with liberal crapola.
    Yea that thar intemalectual stuff gonna be da ruination of ours cuntree. Wot we needz is more fellers likz use that noed how’s ya think like y’all good ole boyz instead wastin time on that new fangled math and science stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    We need to do 2 things to greatly improve educational outcomes in the US.
    1) Get public unions out of education!
    2) Stop wasting class time indoctrinating students with liberal crapola.
    In other words, cut the cost down to nothing and teach racist shite. Heil Trump and Death to Decency!

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