65% conservatives 'proud to be American,' just 37% liberals agree

[Cypress]

Why do you think they support black NFL players spitting on the flag.

The buddies of you and Annatta/Noise lecgtured me that I wasn't a patriot unless I supported invading Iraq.

That is exactly why I, and probably many others, reject your use and your definition of the word patriotism.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

1000 person samples are not big enough to make meaningful inferences. For this population size the minimum sample is over 3000
https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

How did you get that? I only get 3000 when I use a confidence interval of 2 with a confidence level of 95%. That's an extremely high standard though. Usually a confidence interval of 5 with a confidence level of 95% is perfectly acceptable - which you'd only need about 300 people for.

I'm using a population size of 300,000,000, but because of the way the margin of error formula works, with population size being a square root in the divisor of the formula, population size is practically irrelevant once you get larger than like 1000. I.e. you need 357 people for a confidence interval of 5 with a confidence interval of 95% in a population size of 5000, while you need 384 for the same level of confidence in a population size of 5 quadrillion.

[Cancel 2020.1]

You guys know that "MAGA" was your campaign theme, right?

[dukkha]

Nazis were nationalists, in their most extreme form.

It is not a very far jump from the nationalism of Trump supporters, to the kind of rightwing nationalism that history shows us over and over leads to conflict, xenophobia, and even war.

I am not impressed by people who crow about patriotism and nationalism. I am impressed by humanitarians, and people who serve their communities without getting on a roof and crowing about patriotism. Didn't some of our nation's great founders warn against the siren song of extremist patriotism and nationalism?

Nazi's is ridiculous. We are talking economic nationalism.
The problem is the America bashing for no reason -much the same extreme as the jingoism of the yellow ribbon fever that led to Iraq.

The poll is small - too small for statistical value -but the numbers are frightening.
when I write stuff like 'America First" the let goes batchit crazy.

[dukkha]

The buddies of you and Annatta/Noise lecgtured me that I wasn't a patriot unless I supported invading Iraq.

That is exactly why I, and probably many others, reject your use and your definition of the word patriotism.

I was against Iraq. It was a stupid war of interventionism -just like Libya.
I am consistent on that insanity - it brings about failed states and terrorism

[Cypress]

Nazi's is ridiculous. We are talking economic nationalism.
The problem is the America bashing for no reason -much the same extreme as the jingoism of the yellow ribbon fever that led to Iraq.

The poll is small - too small for statistical value -but the numbers are frightening.
when I write stuff like 'America First" the let goes batchit crazy.

Here is your nationalism.

These are Trump-worshipping white nationalists.
These are your political allies,
Your allies here on this board minimized, excused, or rationalized the behavior of Trump-loving white nationalists,
Trump himself implicitly and tacitly encourages white nationalism, islamophobia, and xenophobia.

[TTQ64]

look. Obma was the worst thing to happen to our foreign policy. we got slammed out of the ME,and he was a complete baby dealing with Putin-
wouldn't even TALK to him at meetings.

But I don't go around calling him a ne'er do well - his mindset was we somehow had to apologize for being American.

Now we threw out all that junk for MAGA-and that means basically realpolitik
( except for Russia which Congress fvcked up).

Trump's American First is a re-alignment and you see that in immigration too with proposed means testing to get in here

Lying, racist, ignorant, piece of shit.

The mere thought that you would think President Obama is worse than bush and the war he started and the millions he murdered, says a lot about you.

You think President Obama is worse because he's BLACK....PERIOD!

A Black man infiltrated your racist white house and you're still pissed about it. COWARD!

[tinfoil]

@ post 1

I can't speak for all liberals, but the word "patriotism" is, in some ways, just a code for nationalism. It is a word that has been used, abused, and employed for nefarious reasons by people from Hitler to Stalin. It has commonly been a word used to manipulate people, to start unnecessary wars (or we might see mushroom clouds!).

People who serve their community, who have their community and their nation's best interests at heart, humanitarians, are the people that should be held up as models. Not people who think the world patriotism somehow gives them a sense of false bravado and moral superiority.

You should term it hyper-patriotism to avoid alienating people who have normal, healthy patriotic reverence for their country.

[TTQ64]

[QUOTE]

Nazi's is ridiculous. We are talking economic nationalism.
The problem is the America bashing for no reason -much the same extreme as the jingoism of the yellow ribbon fever that led to Iraq.

The poll is small - too small for statistical value -but the numbers are frightening.

We don't bash America, we bash racist, bigoted, white men like you who's policies are destroying America.

Learn the difference.

[Phantasmal]

You should term it hyper-patriotism to avoid alienating people who have normal, healthy patriotic reverence for their country.

Greg Palast wrote a book about it, he named it uber patriotism.

[TeaPartyTeen]

I'm more proud to be an American over the last year than ever before.

[Cancel 2020.1]

I'm more proud to be an American over the last year than ever before.

That's the sort of situational pride which is a real qualifier for the OP.

I think a lot of people would respond saying that they're more or less proud depending on who is President.

[tinfoil]

Greg Palast wrote a book about it, he named it uber patriotism.

LOL
Clever. I like it

[christiefan915]

Why do you think they support black NFL players spitting on the flag.

Nobody's spitting on the flag, that's just silly.

[christiefan915]

The buddies of you and Annatta/Noise lecgtured me that I wasn't a patriot unless I supported invading Iraq.

That is exactly why I, and probably many others, reject your use and your definition of the word patriotism.

"Not patriotic" was one of the milder terms. "Traitor who should be shot" was more common.