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    Default hese Cool Energy Storage Trains Simply Work With the Power of Gravity

    This looks like a great way to provide electricity storage at short notice ands appear to have little to no downside unlike batteries. Must admit that I've never heard of this company, could be a game changer.



    Energy storage trains are a fantastic idea to save energy. Energy grids supplied by renewable energy sources naturally benefit from energy storage of any kind. “Pumped” hydropower is one of the common “go to” solution for energy storage. As we are sure you are aware, water energy storage uses electricity off peak to pump water. This more “traditional” method pumps water to higher elevations to take advantage of the power of gravity to power turbines downslope.
    For instance, the Taum Sauk Hydroelectric Power Station, Missouri works exclusively using pumped storage hydropower. Yeah, “pumped” hydropower is great but a little dull. Why can’t we replace water with something interesting, like say mini trains? That would be amazing, right? Have we got your attention? Great, let’s take a closer look at ARES’ simple solution to energy storage. Energy storage trains: Mini trains? Tell me more

    A California-based company, Advanced Rail Energy Storage (ARES) have done just that. Their innovative land-based alternative to the “traditional” hydro-pumped storage method provides grid-scale energy storage using cute little trains. These small electric locomotives use rail cars to push heavy concrete blocks to the top of an incline using excess power generated from renewable energy plants. As you’d expect, excess power is utilized during off-peak hours when grid draw-off is low. To release energy, when demand is higher on peak, you simply let the train roll back down the slope. The trains, under the influence of gravity, generate power through their regenerative braking systems, which is cool. ARES claims that the system can respond to increase and decreases in demand in seconds. They also claim the system boasts charge/discharge efficiencies of 80 percent and can deliver constant power for periods of up to eight hours. Not too shabby. The energy might otherwise be wasted. Energy storage trains: Testing the trains

    ARES conducted a pilot system test in Tehachapi, California on a 268-meter track. After this test proved the concept, the company was granted permission to construct the grid energy system in Nevada. The fleet of automated 300-ton electric traction drive shuttle trains are due for completion anytime soon. These shuttles will travel up and down a 7.2% grade slope and should provide 50 MW of rapid response power to help stabilize the Californian electrical grid supply. The system will comprise of 34 shuttle units and will operate on a combined 9.2 km track with elevation differences from top to bottom of 640 meters. Company CEO Jim Kelly bigs up the system by saying that it can:- “be deployed at around half the cost of other available storage technologies. Just as important, ARES produces no emissions, burns no fuel, requires no water, does not use environmentally troublesome materials and sits very lightly on the land.” This great idea is highly scalable with small installations of 100 MW with 200 MWh storage capacity up to large 2 to 3 GW systems with 16 to 24 GWh storage capacities. Not bad, and it uses little trains. Energy storage trains vs. Hydropower

    As the system doesn’t require the use of water, ARES believes, their system is suitable for a wider variety of areas with minimal environmental impact. No valleys need to be flooded or large scale excavations undertaken to make reservoirs. The company believes the system can respond to increased or decreased demand within seconds. William Peitzke, ARES’ Director of Technology Development, says the system is basically a “grid-scale flywheel or battery, but one which is able to lock into direct synchronization with the grid providing heavy inertia for added grid stability.”

    ARES also add that the system boasts higher energy-to-power ratio than flywheels. They also have lower life-cycle costs when compared to batteries and faster ramp-up rates than pumped storage alternatives. Plus it has little trains, did we mention that? Energy storage trains in more detail

    The system borrows heavily from mining applications and uses software from computerized trains at airports. The technology, therefore, already exists and is nothing new. Power is provided to the trains off the grid using a third rail that feeds the electrical motors. This powers the trains for their ascent up the slope, here the energy is stored as potential energy. When the grid needs the power back the software allows the trains to run downhill at around 56 km/h “releasing energy all the way” explains Kelly. The train motors become electrical generators that push the electricity back into the electrified rail and ultimately back to the grid. A large-scale deployment of this kind of system could handle 500 MW or more, which would require just under 13 kilometers of track. The stored energy can be “released” within the same hour, week or month after storage. What’s better, with no loss over time. Gravity, for all intents and purposes, doesn’t decay. The idea is certainly a great idea and the basic principle is certainly sound. The last word

    So little trains, gravity, heavy weights and electricity, what could possibly go wrong? Accidents aside this innovative solution to energy storage is a refreshing take on some old principles. When compared to pumped hydropower alternatives this technology is certainly a great option. Especially for areas where water storage solutions are not practical. Infrastructure construction costs will likely be a fraction of that compared to similarly sized systems and maintenance/life-cycle costs should be relatively modest in comparison. Maintenance downtimes could be easily scheduled with minimal disturbance to the system’ performance given the use of several parallel track systems. Plus it uses little trains, which is just cool, to be honest. How the market responds to this energy storage system is yet to be seen but the future is looking bright for ARES. We wish them good luck with their venture. What do you think of ARES’ proposal for an alternative to energy storage? Can you see any potential pitfalls with the system? Have you seen any similar systems that could be deployed on a micro-scale? Let’s start a conversation.
    https://www.aresnorthamerica.com/art...wer-of-gravity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    This looks like a great way to provide electricity storage at short notice ands appear to have little to no downside unlike batteries. Must admit that I've never heard of this company, could be a game changer.





    https://www.aresnorthamerica.com/art...wer-of-gravity
    This is thinking! Thanks for posting!

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    I like it. Good old cut and fill.

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    Using off-peak power to pump water up-hill for use as a source of hydro-electric power during peak demand is a familiar technology.
    I visited a commercial facility that's been doing this since the previous millennium.
    It's located on the Connecticut River, in Massachusetts.
    There are others.

    Perhaps among the most notable:
    Niagara Falls, which is shut off at night, to fill the upstream reservoir, so the stored water can run the downstream hydroelectric turbine to generate commercial electric power.
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    It can only be used in place with the required grade of elevation (so nearby mountainous areas). Also, when producing 50 MW it would deplete itself within minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deep State View Post
    It can only be used in place with the required grade of elevation (so nearby mountainous areas). Also, when producing 50 MW it would deplete itself within minutes.
    "They also claim the system boasts charge/discharge efficiencies of 80 percent and can deliver constant power for periods of up to eight hours. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Using off-peak power to pump water up-hill for use as a source of hydro-electric power during peak demand is a familiar technology.
    I visited a commercial facility that's been doing this since the previous millennium.
    It's located on the Connecticut River, in Massachusetts.
    There are others.

    Perhaps among the most notable:
    Niagara Falls, which is shut off at night, to fill the upstream reservoir, so the stored water can run the downstream hydroelectric turbine to generate commercial electric power.
    Yes we know that, pumped water storage has been around a long time but this system is far cheaper, doesn't use water and can be constructed very quickly. Of course it goes without saying that the treehuggers, econuts and assorted crusties will hate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    "They also claim the system boasts charge/discharge efficiencies of 80 percent and can deliver constant power for periods of up to eight hours. "
    It has great potential, think of all the canyons in California where this system could be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Yes we know that, pumped water storage has been around a long time but this system is far cheaper, doesn't use water and can be constructed very quickly. Of course it goes without saying that the treehuggers, econuts and assorted crusties will hate it!

    exposing your emotional issues is public is embarrassing to most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    It has great potential, think of all the canyons in California where this system could be used.
    Yes. Any place with a higher elevation. This is good thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    exposing your emotional issues is public is embarrassing to most people.
    Whose sock puppet is this, anybody know?

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    Here in the Blue Ridge we've been doing this with water since 1942. The scheduled releases have become a recreational paradise.

    The Nantahala is the classic southeastern river for entry level whitewater. Its safe to say that the Nantahala is one of the most rafted streams in the country. Its probably safe to say that more beginners have swum while learning on this river than most others.

    The majority of the run is cold, splashy class two water. Nantahala falls is the class three exception to the rule. Pattons Run, the first rapid just around the corner from the put-in, sometimes gives beginners a hard time.

    The Nantahala's most notable feature is its dam-controlled, cold water. Figure about 45 degrees. The 3-day release forecast is the best source of information on planned releases (select "Nantahala Area" from the dropdown menu), and you can also check out the annual release calendar on that same webpage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Whose sock puppet is this, anybody know?

    more issues in public

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    "Yes we know that, pumped water storage has been around a long time but this system is far cheaper, doesn't use water and can be constructed very quickly." SS 37
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    I just realized that this is an adaption of regenerative braking which railroads have used for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake

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