"The GOP's Mad Dash to Pass a Tax Bill Proves That Haste Makes Waste"

[CFM]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patien..._2008–10



Healthcare reform was a major topic during the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries. As the race narrowed, attention focused on the plans presented by the two leading candidates, Hillary Clinton and the eventual nominee, Barack Obama. Each candidate proposed a plan to cover the approximately 45*million Americans estimated to not have health insurance at some point each year. Clinton's proposal would have required all Americans to obtain coverage (in effect, an individual mandate), while Obama's proposal provided a subsidy but rejected the use of an individual mandate.[149][150]
During the general election, Obama said that fixing healthcare would be one of his top four priorities as president.[151] Obama and his opponent, Sen. John McCain, proposed health insurance reforms though they differed greatly. Senator John McCain proposed tax credits for health insurance purchased in the individual market, which was estimated to reduce the number of uninsured people by about 2 million by 2018. Obama proposed private and public group insurance, income-based subsidies, consumer protections, and expansions of Medicaid and SCHIP, which was estimated at the time to reduce the number of uninsured people by 33.9 million by 2018.[152




its what the people chose in the 2008 election idiot



3 million more living breathing Americans chose Hilary not trump


2\3rds hate the tax bill NOW

A topic isn't an action. Talking shit and doing something are two different things. Until September, 2009, no ACTION was taken until the bill was introduced into the House. In March, Obama BOY signed it. That's 6 months not years.

[evince]

that bill was in process for years

they held all kinds of debate on it


and it scored well by all honest brokers


this is being jammed down the throats of Americans in less than a month


they hate it


and your team didnt win the majoroty of American votes


yet they act like they have a mandate

post 7

[evince]

In process for YEARS and was even a subject of the election

[Superfreak]

Quite the opposite...

Wrong. People will like this bill once they see how it effects them.

[Superfreak]

Tragically simplistic.

It's a tax cut for the rich, tsuke. I don't have time to teach you about it. They're throwing a temporary bone to the poor & working class, which those groups will have to pay back in a few years, and which will likely result in stagnant wage growth for those groups - like they did for a full decade the last time a plan like this passed.

Very sad, tsuke. You're exactly the kind of surface thinker that they rely on.

No Thing, it is a tax cut that will shift the overall burden further towards the top. Raising the standard deduction alone will shift more families into the 'don't pay federal income taxes'. Widening the lower brackets will also benefit the vast majority of families. Obviously if a family is not paying federal income taxes under the current system, this will not provide more benefits.

But do take notice that it is the DEMS trying to protect the wealthy here.

[Cancel 2020.1]

Wrong. People will like this bill once they see how it effects them.

That's a fairly broad statement. Do you have any broad data to back that up? (not just quotes from a few people...anything that reflects a significant segment of those people?)

And are they taking into account the long-term effects, as well as what happened to wages the last time a cut like this passed?

[domer76]

i always say there should be a tax challenge. Both parties should agree that if your taxes go up like democrats claim then you should vote democrat. If your taxes go down like republicans claim then you should vote republican.

Ruh roh! Newest member of the ILLITERATE DUMBFUCK CLUB.

And here I thought better of you.

tsk tsk

[PostmodernProphet]

Quite the opposite...

are you denying that lib'ruls are lying?.......I've even seen people here claim it raises taxes on middle income taxpayers (in ten years when it expires).......lol....

[PostmodernProphet]

i always say there should be a tax challenge. Both parties should agree that if your taxes go up like democrats claim then you should vote democrat. If your taxes go down like republicans claim then you should vote republican.

since we already know the bastards are lying, why not just shoot them and get it over with......

[dukkha]

Just to highlight the stupidity of the opposition. Democrats cry about how removing the SALT deductions are an assault on middle class america.

The FACT is, and these are actual hard facts, that 70% of Americans take standardized deductions and never see a dime of SALT deductions. Thats hard data released by the IRS.

Analysis says that only the highest income earners prefer itemized deductions to standardized ones (which makes sense) and that after the tax bill a further 15-20% will take standardized deductions.

last I heard they are going to give SALT deductions upto $10k.

( and why are high tax states getting deductions for their states high taxes to begin with?)-
that's the locals choice. I don't want to subsidize egregious NY and CA tax rates!

I think the property tax deduction stays too - and Fl has high property taxes -
but neither SALT or property taxes should be used to offset Fed tax burdens

[domer76]

Need....to....pass....something.

Need....to....pass....ANYTHING

[PostmodernProphet]

but it will start to hurt after that.

there's one of the lying fuckers now......"it will start to hurt after" the ten years of tax cuts expire and rates go back to what they are now.......stupid shills......

[PostmodernProphet]

Next year, you'd be right. 5 years? 10 years?

Nope.

Five years yes......ten, because its a ten year bill to get past the lib'ruls trying to block it?.....no.....because the tax cuts you get for years one through ten end....

[dukkha]

the tax cuts will be made permanent. They can't do it under reconciliation.
If the Dems would offer to be part of the process a better bill could be passed.

But they are too busy posturing "da resistance" so it is what it is.

[PostmodernProphet]

That won't change the burden it's going to put on the next generation, so it's not really a solution.

one tenth the burden you fuckwads put on the next generation over the last eight years......