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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Yes that is the right wing strawman we're all familiar with.
    LMAO... how is it a strawman? You actually going to sit here and tell us the Dems don't constantly talk about wealth redistribution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    LMAO... how is it a strawman? You actually going to sit here and tell us the Dems don't constantly talk about wealth redistribution?
    No. The Strawman here is that Republicans don't.
    You're Never Alone With A Schizophrenic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No. The Strawman here is that Republicans don't.
    Please provide us examples...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Something that the haves are trying to fool them with - "hey, look - your taxes are getting cut too!"
    seriously, can you suggest a viable option for cutting taxes more than 100%?.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    Knowing what you are talking about has never been your thing but I'll put what actually happened out there for any honest people that may come along. http://whnt.com/2017/12/12/alabama-v...illion-voters/
    Interesting....the wonks were speculating during the election day. For some reason, they thought there was a sweet spot for Jones. Low turnout would hurt him....700,000 range. Very high turnout was supposed to bad as well, because it supposedly meant that republican voters would be motivated. They seemed to think that somewhere around 1,000,000 was the perfect number, with much over 1.2 million being bad.

    Of course, most of them just talk to avoid dead air during a broadcast.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    LMAO... how is it a strawman? You actually going to sit here and tell us the Dems don't constantly talk about wealth redistribution?
    What do you call it when middle class paychecks purchase goods from companies that send the money overseas for labor? Wealth is distributed in a capitalist economy. The question is, where is it going?

    Our economy used to be a circle, with the wealthy at the top, and the low income on the bottom. Middle class at 3 and 9 o'clock.

    Everyone touched the money, and it always circled back to the top.

    Now it's linear, with the money going from the bottom to the top, never to be seen again.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    Why didn't they come out in his previous election?
    No one ever asked before was the reply of one women, which further proves these women were telling the truth.
    They told people, but it was local news, no national reporters had ever come to town before, running for Senate threw Moore into the national spotlight. A reporter decided to follow the local rumors about Moore, she found these women and the rest is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
    No one ever asked before was the reply of one women, which further proves these women were telling the truth.
    They told people, but it was local news, no national reporters had ever come to town before, running for Senate threw Moore into the national spotlight. A reporter decided to follow the local rumors about Moore, she found these women and the rest is history.
    Not to mention that children were easily intimidated by someone in the Prosecutor's office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    What do you call it when middle class paychecks purchase goods from companies that send the money overseas for labor? Wealth is distributed in a capitalist economy. The question is, where is it going?

    Our economy used to be a circle, with the wealthy at the top, and the low income on the bottom. Middle class at 3 and 9 o'clock.

    Everyone touched the money, and it always circled back to the top.

    Now it's linear, with the money going from the bottom to the top, never to be seen again.
    That makes little sense. If a middle class person purchases a good/service, then that is not redistribution. That is an exchange of something of value for the currency that it is worth. The middle class person in your example gets the good/service.

    Money still circulates through the system. It is impossible for it to disappear as you suggest. If it did, then the companies would not have the ability to pay their employees. The employees exchange their time/effort in exchange for income/benefits. They then take that income/benefits and in turn purchase goods/services, put it in savings or invest. Obviously those that live paycheck to paycheck are not typically doing the latter two.

    Redistribution, as I was discussing, is when you take money from someone and don't give them something of value in return. Instead you take the money and give it to someone else who didn't earn that money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    That makes little sense. If a middle class person purchases a good/service, then that is not redistribution. That is an exchange of something of value for the currency that it is worth. The middle class person in your example gets the good/service.

    Money still circulates through the system. It is impossible for it to disappear as you suggest. If it did, then the companies would not have the ability to pay their employees. The employees exchange their time/effort in exchange for income/benefits. They then take that income/benefits and in turn purchase goods/services, put it in savings or invest. Obviously those that live paycheck to paycheck are not typically doing the latter two.

    Redistribution, as I was discussing, is when you take money from someone and don't give them something of value in return. Instead you take the money and give it to someone else who didn't earn that money.
    Redistribution is when the company takes the money that you reference, and pays employees in another country. That money is gone from this country forever.

    Likewise for money spent on Chinese steel for trump's shitty buildings. Or money lost when companies ship materials to China, and have finished product shipped back here.

    Redistribution.

    What you classify as 'taking', is nothing more than the cost for living in the safest, most sought after society in the world. No different than the dues you pay to hang out at Mar A Lago. You really get nothing of value in return, but you spend the money anyway.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Redistribution is when the company takes the money that you reference, and pays employees in another country. That money is gone from this country forever.

    Likewise for money spent on Chinese steel for trump's shitty buildings. Or money lost when companies ship materials to China, and have finished product shipped back here.

    Redistribution.

    What you classify as 'taking', is nothing more than the cost for living in the safest, most sought after society in the world. No different than the dues you pay to hang out at Mara Lago. You really get nothing of value in return, but you spend the money anyway.
    No, that is not redistribution. An item or service of value was exchanged.

    Again, your example is incorrect. If you pay dues to a club, you in turn get the opportunity to enjoy the benefits of said club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    Whether or not this is true has no bearing on tonights election. The data is clear, trump helped moore.
    Yup, helped him lose.
    Deep? Not so much
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Occam's razor
    Occam's razor indicates Trump you mental midget.
    Really just shut your ignorant pie hole for a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    thing1 isn't wrong about 2018, the democrats could very easily win back the house (and have an outsie chance at the senate) the problem is the way he arrives at the conclusion is by falling down the stairs. This has been my criticism of him and other liberals since 2016, they lack the ability to think critically about these things. While democrats may very well do good in 2018, that is more or less independent from last nights results.
    Bu bu bullshit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    again, the data that you want to ignore suggests this is not the case. only 19% of voters voted for jones out of anti-trump sentiment. Conversly 27% of moore voters voted out of pro-trump sentiment, giving trump an overall net effect of +8pts for roy moore in this race. Again, to reiterate, the vast majority of jones voters were NOT voting out of anti trump sentiment. You have no data to back this up. I have actual data, you have your woo woo bullshit and feels. get on my level.
    No. You have exit polls. You can dig up the '16 polls that said Clinton would win if you like, and we can debate them. Your polls do nothing to address the low republican voter turnout.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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