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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Yeah, so?
    Highlighting Trumps stupidity, these men know what a grave mistake he made against the advice of Tillerson and Mattis.

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    Default How the Orange Fat Ass Just Helped Iran Win the Mideast

    How Trump’s Jerusalem Move Just Helped Iran Win the Mideast

    By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – –

    Some sections of the crazy quilt that makes up the Trump administration want to push Iran back out of the Arab world and weaken it, in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Those actors have just been handed a big setback by Trump’s slurred and crazed announcement that he will move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and recognize it as the capital.

    While Washington pols fondly imagine that all politics is elite politics, it isn’t actually the case. Ask Hosni Mubarak or Zine El Abidin Ben Ali. Political leaders have to get a minimum buy-in from their publics. One trial run for the 2011 Tunisian revolution was massive demonstrations in 2009 during the Israeli assault on little Gaza, where student activists, trade unionists, attorneys and others learned to network and get out enormous crowds. Ben Ali’s and Mubarak’s toadying to Washington helped make them so hated that they were overthrown, in part because Washington stands for economic policies that punish workers and the middle classes, but in part because Washington stands for stealing Palestinians’ land and making them homeless and poverty-stricken.

    Rulers like King Abdullah II of Jordan, who have a powerful alliance with the United States but whose people are pro-Palestinian (indeed 60% are of Palestinian heritage) are not sleeping well these days.

    It isn’t that everyone doesn’t already know that Washington is on board with screwing over the Palestinians and humiliating the Arabs. But Trump just flaunted it in everyone’s face.

    But let us consider the Saudi cold war with Iran. Given the open Saudi signals of cooperation with Israel against Tehran and given the Al Saud’s embrace of Trump, Riyadh is implicated in the Jerusalem decision whether they like it or not. In the propaganda wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia, Iran just got a big boost.
    Iran’s president Hassan Rouhani called up Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan and the two agreed that Jerusalem is the permanent capital of Palestine. Turkey is majority Sunni, while Iran is a Shiite republic. Any attempt to block Iran’s influence would have to aim at instigating bad relations between these two, among the most populous and wealthy countries in the Middle East.

    Trump managed to bring Turkey and Iran together by what they called his “wrong” and “illegal” action. In fact, Rouhani called for all 56 Muslim-majority countries to make a stand against the US. Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said that Jerusalem will always be Arab and Islamic. The country’s Leader, Ali Khamenei, also weighed in, pledging to organize the Muslim world for a response. So now the Iranians (not Arabs) are the champions of Arab nationalism, while Saudi Arabia and Egypt are supine. So Trump is helping make Iran a leader of the Muslim world. Good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    He really has no idea what he has done, he is pre school when it comes to foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    The Coptics are not fucking stupid, they get attacked enough already by Muslim fanatics in Egypt. They would basically be asking for more attacks if they were seen to be recognising Jerusalem.

    I think that I can honestly say that I've never ever seen a liberal on here condemn any of the many attacks by Muslims on Coptic churches, it just never happens. So basically Rana, Crypiss et al can take their crocodile tears elsewhere, they are just hypocritical arseholes.
    I haven't seen the Coptics mentioned on JPP since I got here a couple of months ago, but the attacks on their churches were occasionally the topic of discussion on the old Amazon forum. The murders/church burnings were condemned by both left and right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
    Highlighting Trumps stupidity, these men know what a grave mistake he made against the advice of Tillerson and Mattis.
    How do you explain every major leader, Republican and Democrat, calling for this? Are they stupid too? Or do you just prefer pandering idiots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Is this a loaded question? Look it up. And what does it have to do with Pence?
    It's more of her cryptic "I know something you don't know" shit-disturbing. Ignore it.

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    what's the difference between a "Grand Iman "and the Grand Mufti? of Egypt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
    Highlighting Trumps stupidity, these men know what a grave mistake he made against the advice of Tillerson and Mattis.
    What kind of moron appoints people to his cabinet, then ignores their advice? Oh wait. Don't answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Why would I condemn Muslim attacks on Coptics any more than Muslim attacks on Muslims? They’re all despicable, but you don’t give a damn about Muslim on Muslim violence, do you?
    Of course I do you cynical sod, there were 300 Sufi Muslims killed the other day by Salifists. I even started a thread and predictably hardly anybody posted to it. So screw you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Of course I do you cynical sod, there were 300 Sufi Muslims killed the other day by Salifists. I even started a thread and predictably hardly anybody posted to it. So screw you!!

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    At Least 300 Killed In Attack On Sufi Mosque In Egypt
    https://www.rferl.org/a/egypt-hundre.../28876180.html

    Egypt has it's hands full w/Sinai Province terrorists (Sinai Province or ISIL-SP / Ansar Bait al-Maqdi)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Of course I do you cynical sod, there were 300 Sufi Muslims killed the other day by Salifists. I even started a thread and predictably hardly anybody posted to it. So screw you!!

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    Yeah, I typically ignore threads started by morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    what's the difference between a "Grand Iman "and the Grand Mufti? of Egypt?
    ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Yeah, I typically ignore threads started by morons.
    Fucking idiot, you are a moron on steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    At Least 300 Killed In Attack On Sufi Mosque In Egypt
    https://www.rferl.org/a/egypt-hundre.../28876180.html

    Egypt has it's hands full w/Sinai Province terrorists (Sinai Province or ISIL-SP / Ansar Bait al-Maqdi)
    No one wants to see ISIS defeated more than Muslims

    "The so-called Islamic State is the enemy of Islam. In fact, ISIS is the enemy of Judaism, Christianity, Yazidism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, atheism and all others who oppose its evil and barbaric agenda. The difference, however, is that Muslims suffer by far the most from ISIS’ horrific attacks."

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...18#post1935118
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How do you explain every major leader, Republican and Democrat, calling for this? Are they stupid too? Or do you just prefer pandering idiots?
    Yes, they are idiots as well. Jerusalem should be off limits for our embassy if the United States wants to be a neutral broker for peace, other Presidents have understood this. It is the holy city of Jews, Christians and Muslims.

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