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    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    Thanks, you just validated my point, a prior felon can get his gun in a gun state and with this bill carry it anywhere he wants legally, nice, now some thug from Florida can carry in a State that has worked to keep guns out of the hands of thugs
    This is nothing but a big fat lie; felons cannot legally buy guns in ANY state you moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Ah,
    you mean like in Columbine, and
    Virginia Tech, and
    Sandy Hook, and
    Las Vegas?
    What gun laws would have prevented these tragedies.... be specific,
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    TD #47

    Restrictive laws such as those enforced in London, Ottawa, and Sidney.

    PLEASE DO NOT INFER MORE THAN I IMPLY !!

    I'm not ADVOCATING this. YOU asked the question. I answered it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    /shrugs......you could always change "full faith and credit"......in the mean time we use it against you......

    Full faith-and-credit means a state should recognize court decisions and records such as marriage licenses. It does not mean NewYork must follow New Jersey laws for a New Jersey resident in NY.

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    This is indeed good news. If it becomes law I won’t have to try to become a lawyer reading up on CC laws in the various states to/through which I travel. I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is nothing but a big fat lie; felons cannot legally buy guns in ANY state you moron.
    The states must allow a citizen of another state without a permit or legal permission to carry a gun into their state. States should be allowed to set such policies within their state unless you favor an oppressive federal government that can override each state like they did with abortion and same sex marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The states must allow a citizen of another state without a permit or legal permission to carry a gun into their state. States should be allowed to set such policies within their state unless you favor an oppressive federal government that can override each state like they did with abortion and same sex marriage.
    abolish abortion and same sex marriage and we'll talk......

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    "Full faith-and-credit means a state should recognize court decisions and records such as marriage licenses. It does not mean NewYork must follow New Jersey laws for a New Jersey resident in NY." F #49
    I deduce your comment quoted above addresses the topic: "House Passes Concealed Carry Reciprocity"

    The problem is, there's no "... by the federal government" qualifier to 2A's "... shall not be infringed." wording.

    If a citizen has a NATIONAL right to "keep and bear arms", that NATIONAL right can't end at any inter-State border within the nation.

    Even if you are right about "full faith-&-credit" (in which section of the Constitution does that term appear?), "shall not be infringed" is clearly the more immediate standard.

    If she can pack heat in Albany, why not also in Trenton?

    PS
    What bearing if any the commerce clause has here I don't know.

    BUT !!

    Wickard v. Filburn blue any rational restraint a weigh from what sensible persons would think of as commerce. Subsistence farming is not commerce! SCOTUS obviously disagrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    I deduce your comment quoted above addresses the topic: "House Passes Concealed Carry Reciprocity"

    The problem is, there's no "... by the federal government" qualifier to 2A's "... shall not be infringed." wording.

    If a citizen has a NATIONAL right to "keep and bear arms", that NATIONAL right can't end at any inter-State border within the nation.

    Even if you are right about "full faith-&-credit" (in which section of the Constitution does that term appear?), "shall not be infringed" is clearly the more immediate standard.

    If she can pack heat in Albany, why not also in Trenton?

    PS
    What bearing if any the commerce clause has here I don't know.

    BUT !!

    Wickard v. Filburn blue any rational restraint a weigh from what sensible persons would think of as commerce. Subsistence farming is not commerce! SCOTUS obviously disagrees.
    If a person has a right to carry guns in any state without a permit that means the states also cannot infringe on that right as of 2010. This reciprocity law recognizes the right of the states to regulate carry and your support of this law acknowledges that right which you claim does not exist.

    If you believe in the rule of law no court has ever upheld the view that there can be no infringements on gun ownership; if so, that means they cannot infringe on felons, automatic weapons, or anything else.

    Both liberal and conservatives seem willing to abandon any principles if they like the outcome.

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    "that right which you claim does not exist." F #54
    a) Quote me!

    b) After you clearly demonstrate that you won't, because you can't, because I didn't, we can get around to discussing the position I HAVE taken, instead of the freakish hallucination you falsely attribute to me.

    F adds:
    "If you believe in the rule of law no court has ever upheld the view that there can be no infringements on gun ownership;" F
    I think law professor, lawyer, and former head of the ACLU Nadine Strossen said it more explicitly, & comprehensively. I've quoted her countless times.
    "No right is absolute. Conversely, no government authority is absolute." lawyer, law Professor and former ACLU head Nadine Strossen
    F adds:
    "Both liberal and conservatives seem willing to abandon any principles if they like the outcome." F
    It is the Republican party that is so boldly, so vividly hypocritical in that regard.

    U.S. President GWB when Governor (R-TX) presided over more State executions than any other Texas governor before him. YET !! GWB claims to be "pro-life".

    Republicans presume to be, declare themselves to be: the party of family values.

    Yet not only have they elected the kitty-cat grabber in chief, Donald Trump.
    They're also threatening to elect serial pedophile Judge Roy Moore to the U.S. congress.

    " Family Values " ?!?!
    "Both liberal and conservatives seem willing to abandon any principles if they like the outcome." F #54
    Probably not.
    You seem to be referring to Democrats and Republicans. Those are political PARTIES.

    "liberal" & "conservative" are principles, not parties. It's an absurdity for you to assert that persons of principle abandon principle. Persons that abandon principle are not persons of principle. Got it?
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...ry-reciprocity

    Great news, now even if an out of State conceal carry permit was issued to a domestic violence offender or felon, he/she can now travel and pack in another State where they would be prohibited from ever even owning a gun let alone a conceal carry permit. In other words, bringing it all down to the least common denominator

    Good news for the gun manufacturers, bad news for those communities that don't want guns around, and the GOP politicians trade public safety for political contributions. Is it any wonder mass shooting and school shootings are becoming as American as apple pie?
    You don't believe this will get past the Senate...do you?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    This is indeed good news. If it becomes law I won’t have to try to become a lawyer reading up on CC laws in the various states to/through which I travel. I like it.
    unfortunately you will still need to do that. each state will still have it's own restrictions on licensees that you must adhere to. The poison pill to this legislation resides in the fix nics portion and it's bad.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    You don't believe this will get past the Senate...do you?
    if the fix nics portion is still included, yes it will. the government absolutely loves making more criminals out of its citizens.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    You don't believe this will get past the Senate...do you?
    Enough of them keep getting shot it will. That is the only time Senate and Congress act, when it affects them directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...ry-reciprocity

    Great news, now even if an out of State conceal carry permit was issued to a domestic violence offender or felon, he/she can now travel and pack in another State where they would be prohibited from ever even owning a gun let alone a conceal carry permit. In other words, bringing it all down to the least common denominator

    Good news for the gun manufacturers, bad news for those communities that don't want guns around, and the GOP politicians trade public safety for political contributions. Is it any wonder mass shooting and school shootings are becoming as American as apple pie?
    And other than some gun fetishist masturbating not one shit was given.
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