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    If liberals get their wish, a Muslim baker can be forced to produce a cake bearing this image:




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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Yep. Here are Phillip’s word to the customers.

    Phillips recalled: "Our conversation was just about 20 seconds long. 'Sorry guys, I don't make cakes for same-sex weddings.'"

    Phillips contends that dual guarantees in the First Amendment — for free speech and for the free exercise of religion — protect him against Colorado's public accommodations law.

    Same bullshit other “Christian” bakers have tried across the country. And failed.

    So, it also proves that you are full of shit when you say he didn’t refuse service to gays. That’s EXACTLY what he did.
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    To be clear...the most prominent case didn't necessarily hinge on refusal of service. It was about the bakers inciting their followers to violence against the gay couple, and doing so by putting their home address on social media.
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    OK. I've been trying to follow it by tracking down any information on the baker inciting his followers to violence; but, so far I've been unable to find any.
    OK. I should have been more patient. Between the newb/socks, sometimes I confuse one member for another.
    The case I reference was the most prominent, which awarded $170,000 to the women who were refused service. Their personal information was put on social media. The award was not for refusal of service, rather for pain/suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    If you think I'm bigoted and hateful, then you have no idea what the words mean. So take your own bigotry and hatred and shove it so far up your ass you can taste it. See what I mean about Libs? Thanks for demonstrating the point perfectly. Textbook example
    When you make silly claims about Liberals/hatred, while illustrating the same behavior you denounce, it leaves you twisting in the wind.

    But thanks for demonstrating the point perfectly. Textbook example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Uglier than someone who is critical of Christianity, without the slightest clue about how it works?
    Pretty obvious how it works...as opposed to how it's supposed to work. Selective issue Christianity is getting a foothold in this country. That doesn't mean it's 'how it works'.

    This can all be settled by asking the Pope to weigh in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    If you don't do something for someone that you would if their sexuality was different, that's discrimination.

    If you make wedding cakes for white people, you can't not make wedding cakes for black people.

    If you make wedding cakes for young people, you can't not make wedding cakes for old people.

    If you make wedding cakes for straight people, you can't not make wedding cakes for gay people.

    Discrimination.
    You most certainly can. You just can't make it a political issue. Simply cite scheduling, or price yourself out of the market. Or worse yet, take the contact info, and simply never call back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    If an artist sells their images to the general public, should I be allowed to force them to make a specific image against their will because of public accommodation? Say, force the artist of the Piss Christ to create religious icons because he cannot discriminate against me because of my religion and he sells his art to the general public? Or, force a religious artist who sells images publicly to create a satanic image of some sort?
    You're illustrating the silly nature of the defense. Not all artists are commissioned to create pieces. Nothing forces an artist to paint anything that they don't want, unless perhaps if their business model entails art for hire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    This probably boils down to the cake topper and maybe some words included, on the cake.
    So couldn't they "essentially" supply a cake topper of their choice and find someone to add any words?
    That was my thought. But both sides are making a statement here. In the end, the baker loses out on quite a bit of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
    Then they will come for the tattooed, the adulters, the divorced, those that mix fabrics, eaters of shellfish, sons of Ham. It’s going to get ugly.
    right on, fuck the tattooed......and while you're at it go after the atheists who misapply scripture for political reasons......those bastards really suck ass.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    In favor of the baker's right to discriminate?
    no.....in favor of the baker's constitutional rights......you are so confused.......perhaps if you hang around here long enough it will fix that.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I basically agree. Which was actually the case. They wanted an original cake design for their specific wedding, the "cake artist" (or so they seem to be styling themselves for the courts) decided against that then were sued to force them to make art against their will/religion.

    Anyway. If the court rules that way, the "cake artist" or baker would be able to continue in business with specialized wedding cakes again instead of simply stopping the product entirely.
    seems like a solution offers itself......if cakes aren't art the baker should be free to make as ugly a cake as he wants.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Pretty obvious how it works...as opposed to how it's supposed to work. Selective issue Christianity is getting a foothold in this country. That doesn't mean it's 'how it works'.

    This can all be settled by asking the Pope to weigh in.
    Again, highlighting your ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    What I think the Supreme Court should/will do:

    There is a difference between refusing to sell a cake that you offer to the general public to specific people due to their sexuality and refusing to make a special individualized cake for any specific person.

    In my opinion, and this does have some basis in case law... If a bakery sells cakes to the general public, using public streets, or ingredients that have been in the stream of interstate commerce, they should be prohibited from discriminating against any individuals. Meaning, homosexuals should be able to come in and buy any cake that is offered to the general public.

    IF, however a bakery makes specialized cakes for specific buyers, they should be free to refuse any particular cake to any particular people who try to commission one.

    A baker who sells generic cakes cant discriminate against who buys those cakes.
    A baker who makes individualized cakes should not be required to do so for any specific people.
    I guess you missed the part where the baker would have been fine selling them a cake; he refused to make a custom cake that was against his religious beliefs. Dunce.

    You might need a refresher on the First Amendment.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    You're illustrating the silly nature of the defense. Not all artists are commissioned to create pieces. Nothing forces an artist to paint anything that they don't want, unless perhaps if their business model entails art for hire.
    No, I pointed out in earlier posts that these artists had shops sold art to the general public, and also commissioned unique pieces just like the cake maker. Saying that they cannot be forced to create the original pieces is exactly my point, but the guy who makes original wedding cakes can is dichromatic and hypocritical.

    Like Jarod, I believe that the SCOTUS is likely to rule that artists cannot be forced to create a piece of art against their own wants, let alone religious beliefs and the cake maker will again be able to sell unique wedding cakes, but not against his will and/or beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    You most certainly can. You just can't make it a political issue. Simply cite scheduling, or price yourself out of the market. Or worse yet, take the contact info, and simply never call back.
    Maybe they could write a code on their paperwork to let them know not to rent to er... I mean bake a cake for black people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    No, I pointed out in earlier posts that these artists had shops sold art to the general public, and also commissioned unique pieces just like the cake maker. Saying that they cannot be forced to create the original pieces is exactly my point, but the guy who makes original wedding cakes can is dichromatic and hypocritical.

    Like Jarod, I believe that the SCOTUS is likely to rule that artists cannot be forced to create a piece of art against their own wants, let alone religious beliefs and the cake maker will again be able to sell unique wedding cakes, but not against his will and/or beliefs.
    I think what we're discussing is similar to applying hate crime status to a crime.

    Nobody is ever forced to do anything that they don't want to. They just have to be mindful of what is, and what isn't considered discrimination. I don't think anyone is allowed to refuse service because someone is black.

    In fact, trump knows a thing or two about that
    TRENTON, N.J. -- The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino has lost a bid to overturn a $200,000 penalty imposed because managers catered to the presumed prejudices of a high roller by removing a black dealer from his table.
    https://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/10...1911719467200/
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