Whataboutism In Chief

[Phantasmal]

Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the source said.
The shift from "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," which may appear pedestrian at first glance, reflected a decision by the FBI that could have had potentially significant legal implications, as the federal law governing the mishandling of classified material establishes criminal penalties for "gross negligence."

Nova, if you didn’t write this yourself, please be sure to reference your source, thank you.

[NOVA]

Nova, if you didn’t write this yourself, please be sure to reference your source, thank you.

I thought the link in the first post included this....thanks for the heads up....

www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html

[anatta]

it's not just the markings that make it classified.
The nature of the information makes it inherently classified -or not. Markings or not.

Clinton took a training class in this - she can classify 'at will.' being Sec of State
She also signed off on not putting classified info at risk ( a private server is inherently "at risk")

So she was either lying that she didn't see the "c'-s while ignoring the contents.
Or she was incompetent not to look for and redact out any such info.

reacting in the sense of deletions, not hammering hard drives

[NOVA]

it's not just the markings that make it classified.
The nature of the information makes it inherently classified -or not. Markings or not.

Clinton took a training class in this - she can classify 'at will.' being Sec of State
She also signed off on not putting classified info at risk ( a private server is inherently "at risk")

So she was either lying that she didn't see the "c'-s while ignoring the contents.
Or she was incompetent not to look for and redact out any such info.

reacting in the sense of deletions, not hammering hard drives

If the Sec. of State can't recognize sensitive and classified information by its substance, she shouldn't have had the job to begin with....

[ThatOwlWoman]

Sigh. Another chapter in the continuing saga of "Yeah But Hillary Place."

[Cancel 2020.1]

Well, he either lied or misspoke, so....

[anatta]

If the Sec. of State can't recognize sensitive and classified information by its substance, she shouldn't have had the job to begin with....

yes. she took specific training, and signed off that she understood.
The best you can say about her is she was incompetent

[Stretch]

yes. she took specific training, and signed off that she understood.
The best you can say about her is she was incompetent

She was probably reading the instructions on her big-girl training pull-ups and signed off because she is incontinent.

[christiefan915]

If the Sec. of State can't recognize sensitive and classified information by its substance, she shouldn't have had the job to begin with....

It's always black and white with cons.

"While “classified information” seems like it should be straightforward and binary—it either is or it isn’t—in practice government classification is a tricky and complicated issue. For one thing, different departments can treat the same information differently, as Under Secretary for Management Patrick F. Kennedy—a career Foreign Service officer who had started in the top position two years before Hillary Clinton came to the department—explained to the FBI.

Whereas the intelligence community often “steals” information, leading it to be classified, the State Department may end up gathering that same information from nonsensitive sources and so never consider it classified; conversations with foreign diplomats may be classified or not—or later upgraded to classified if it’s determined that “the disclosure of such information might damage national security or diplomatic relationships.” (This was particularly true as governments and leaders shifted around the world.) Plus, the lines around documents and information could shift—many internal or even interagency drafts would be considered unclassified while they were being written, but would then be routinely classified when they were transmitted formally to the National Security Council.

Then, of course, there was the problem of the State Department’s unique mission to engage other countries. As one employee related to the FBI: “Generally the only way to discuss topics with Foreign Partners is via unclassified channels, or in very sensitive cases, by making arrangements to meet in person at Embassies or at DoS. Since there isn’t a classified system that allows DoS to communicate with its foreign counterparts, conversations that are held with foreign partners in unclassified channels are later ‘up-classified’ to Secret to protect the information.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ent-fbi-214307

[anatta]

There are 2 levels of State Dept Email. "High side" and "Low side"

any classified info has to go thru a high side server. a State.gov account.

Hillary had no State.gov account. She/her minions transacted ONLY thru her unsecured private server.
We know her server was without a firewall for a time also.

[NOVA]

It's always black and white with cons.

"While “classified information” seems like it should be straightforward and binary—it either is or it isn’t—in practice government classification is a tricky and complicated issue. For one thing, different departments can treat the same information differently, as Under Secretary for Management Patrick F. Kennedy—a career Foreign Service officer who had started in the top position two years before Hillary Clinton came to the department—explained to the FBI.

Whereas the intelligence community often “steals” information, leading it to be classified, the State Department may end up gathering that same information from nonsensitive sources and so never consider it classified; conversations with foreign diplomats may be classified or not—or later upgraded to classified if it’s determined that “the disclosure of such information might damage national security or diplomatic relationships.” (This was particularly true as governments and leaders shifted around the world.) Plus, the lines around documents and information could shift—many internal or even interagency drafts would be considered unclassified while they were being written, but would then be routinely classified when they were transmitted formally to the National Security Council.

Then, of course, there was the problem of the State Department’s unique mission to engage other countries. As one employee related to the FBI: “Generally the only way to discuss topics with Foreign Partners is via unclassified channels, or in very sensitive cases, by making arrangements to meet in person at Embassies or at DoS. Since there isn’t a classified system that allows DoS to communicate with its foreign counterparts, conversations that are held with foreign partners in unclassified channels are later ‘up-classified’ to Secret to protect the information.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ent-fbi-214307

Utter bullshit....
If you're not informed enough to determine whether something is classified, you treat it as classified anyway...you err on the side of safeguarding information...

and if you are in one of highest positions in the gov. ie, Sec. of State....you're totally incompetent if you don't do that.....
as a rule of thumb, ALL information related to official gov. business should be treated as sensitive and classified/
especially if you're going to bypass official gov. channels, as Hillary did with just about everything, where gov. don't get
the opportunity to determine what its classification is....

[Ralph]

Trump said he feels "very badly" for Flynn, and lamented that Hillary lied "many times" to the FBI, and nothing happened to her.

Can anyone cite one lie that Hillary told to the FBI?

Comey admitted that Clinton lied. Here is a shopping list of Lies confirmed by Comey that Hillary told. Comey was under oath....something that Hillary never was. Strange is the documented fact that the same agent who was in charge of questioning Hillary concerning a felony charge never asked her one question under oath, and the same agent was fired from the (wink wink) special counsel dog and phony show because he was politically biased in support of the Clintons. Things that make you go HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! Its a most difficult thing to prove perjury when one is never asked anything under oath. I wonder why that same agent DEMANDED that Flynn be questioned "UNDER OATH"? There is no need to wonder....its plan B when Collusion can't be proven, Obstruction will be the new left wing Buzz word.

Let the show go on....its entertaining as hell. I predict HEADS WILL ROLL....he goes to jail, he goes to jail, etc. Like ABC suggested, but it will not be the right heads it will be the left heads.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8pnk2rvYo

[christiefan915]

Utter bullshit....
If you're not informed enough to determine whether something is classified, you treat it as classified anyway...you err on the side of safeguarding information...

and if you are in one of highest positions in the gov. ie, Sec. of State....you're totally incompetent if you don't do that.....
as a rule of thumb, ALL information related to official gov. business should be treated as sensitive and classified/
especially if you're going to bypass official gov. channels, as Hillary did with just about everything, where gov. don't get
the opportunity to determine what its classification is....

Yeah bravs, whatever. I'll take the word of the intelligence community and the State Dept., and you take the word of Rush and Alex.