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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Sorry...that article doesn't make your case. Saying that GLB started a trend toward deregulation, means that GLB caused the crash is nonsense. Of course, you ignore what I posted about private lending that was not affected by GLB
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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    you russian bots are getting more and more desperate
    yea, that ole Russian collusion thing is coming any day now huh?
    12 months of non-stop Russian collusion theory and so far....NOTHING

    great use of resources there ya loon

    Tax reform is here, and THE WALL is next,
    deal with it
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    It's so bad that the DOW and Nasdaq just hit historic highs.
    Keep changing the names. It doesn't change the meaning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Another reason why I'd like to see our public education system promote tradecraft and construction careers with hands-on training. One thing I like about the University and community colleges up here is they offer degree programs in the trades. Where we used to live (STL), that type of education was available mainly at very-overpriced private schools like ITT and Sanford Brown. Yeah, the person might get training but they also left with a huge load of debt, almost equivalent to a four-year degree at a state university!

    $50K/year isn't bad, if your area has a lower cost-of-living.
    I am not a fan of the public education system period. Trade schools I like less than universities.

    I've never worked with a college educated tradesmen that was worth the paper his diploma was written on.

    Maybe they are good things to have in urban centers. But honestly my younger daughter was a better fitter when she was 9 (she's 18 now) than the guys I ran into rig welding who were straight out of school.

    Anyway. One of our biggest problems is our inability to retrain. And it's perpetuated by the public education system. And the idea that others need to do for us instead of doing for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Do you believe that lower taxes at home can compete with overseas labor/lax enviro/no healthcare savings? I don't see it.


    If you don't see it then you don't understand anything about quality control and shipping costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post

    People think automation and they think welding robots and what not. It also should be noted that countries with a third of our population are exporting ten times the robotics. The link doesn't talk about conveyance or the million and one other things relating to automation.

    My plant has several miles of conveyer belt and air beds. Every inch of it (other than the six nine foot magnetic transfer dropouts that I built) was produced in western Europe.

    Five hundred million dollars worth of automation make up my plant. Not one piece (other than some small components) was made here even though many meet the technical definition of robot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    People think automation and they think welding robots and what not. It also should be noted that countries with a third of our population are exporting ten times the robotics. The link doesn't talk about conveyance or the million and one other things relating to automation.

    My plant has several miles of conveyer belt and air beds. Every inch of it (other than the six nine foot magnetic transfer dropouts that I built) was produced in western Europe.

    Fifty million dollars worth of automation make up my plant. Not one piece (other than some small components) was made here even though many meet the technical definition of robot.
    See the edit. Brain was moving slower than my fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    yea, that ole Russian collusion thing is coming any day now huh?
    12 months of non-stop Russian collusion theory and so far....NOTHING

    great use of resources there ya loon

    Tax reform is here, and THE WALL is next,
    deal with it

    nothing? you bots are idiots, time to reprogram

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    lets see. you put everyone on ignore that isn't a progressive Bernie-bot,and you argue with mods.

    Like I was told one time: if you can't get along with everyone else,chances are it's you -not them
    No, actually, that's not why I put people on ignore; and yes, if a mod behaves badly, they aren't exempt from crtiticism.

    You're an idiot. If you can't get along with everyone else, it's you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    If you don't see it then you don't understand anything about quality control and shipping costs.
    Hah!!! Really? So why is everything being manufactured overseas...with materials shipped there first...and shipped back? It isn't about saving on taxes. It's cheap labor, no healthcare for employees, and no environmental concerns.

    If you don't see that, then you don't understand basic math.

    So how is a tax reduction going to make up for all of those savings overseas?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    I am not a fan of the public education system period. Trade schools I like less than universities.

    I've never worked with a college educated tradesmen that was worth the paper his diploma was written on.

    Maybe they are good things to have in urban centers. But honestly my younger daughter was a better fitter when she was 9 (she's 18 now) than the guys I ran into rig welding who were straight out of school.

    Anyway. One of our biggest problems is our inability to retrain. And it's perpetuated by the public education system. And the idea that others need to do for us instead of doing for ourselves.
    She was born with the gift?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    See the edit. Brain was moving slower than my fingers.
    You can edit the original if you like
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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