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    also women are starting to drive,and women ran for office last year is local elections.
    SA is keenly aware of exporting Wahhabism, after it blew up in AfPak (creating the Taliban(

    SA has it's own war with AQ going on..mostly in the Shi'a wast,but also in the capitol

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    Scapegoating Saudi Arabia won’t help us fight terrorism
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3c6aa0688f18
    Terrorism is a problem that we all still struggle to understand. That challenge only increases when partisan politics are injected into the mix. This is what happened earlier this month, when President Trump visited Saudi Arabia, provoking the publication of a flurry of articles such as Fareed Zakaria’s “How Saudi Arabia played Donald Trump” criticizing the visit and describing the kingdom as the evil empire responsible for much of the world’s scourge of terrorism. If anything, such rhetoric only serves to further muddle a critical issue the world can ill afford to misdiagnose.

    In making Saudi Arabia the villain, critics inevitably cherry-pick their evidence to suit their constructed narrative. Their data point of preference is a leaked Hillary Clinton email claiming that the Saudi government provided financial support to radical Islamic groups. Meanwhile, the critics ignore much more credible findings, like those of the joint congressional commission investigating 9/11, which observed as far back as 2004 that “the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is now locked in mortal combat with al-Qaeda.” Or, more specifically, they ignore Daniel L. Glaser, the former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury for terrorism financing, who pointed out to Congress that “Saudi Arabia has emerged as a regional leader” in fighting terrorist financing.

    nstead of addressing these uncomfortable facts, pundits fall back on simplistic attacks against “Wahhabism,” the conservative strain of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia.
    While clearly intolerant and reactionary, Wahhabism has never taken root in Iraq or Syria, countries that had been ruled for decades by brutally secular dictatorships that strictly forbade any Wahhabi outreach to their people. Yet today those countries are the epicenter of radical jihadism. The same is true of Tunisia, which exports the highest number of fighters to the Islamic State — yet its secular leadership had also forbidden any conservative Islamic activity in the country since as far back as the 1950s. Finally, the claim that Wahhabism is uniquely intolerant also ignores other strains of Islam like the Deobandi school of India, which has given us the suicide-bombing Taliban.

    Critics also choose to ignore the systematic efforts that continue to be made by the Saudi authorities to rein in their clerics, edit intolerance out of schoolbooks and control any proselytizing abroad.

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    Rana the Stupor Moderator cares about due process and presumption of innocence in Saudi Arabia but not in Alabama.

    What an idiot. She is unfit to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    ISIS threw gays off buildings..I am unaware of such by SA-though LGBT activity is illegal
    Who knows what goes on behind the scenes? The police are literally a law unto themselves.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7607446.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Who knows what goes on behind the scenes? The police are literally a law unto themselves.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7607446.html
    Gender fluid people are treated badly, sometimes flogged, and if someone is arrested on the same law for a second time they can be executed.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Scapegoating Saudi Arabia won’t help us fight terrorism
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3c6aa0688f18
    Terrorism is a problem that we all still struggle to understand. That challenge only increases when partisan politics are injected into the mix. This is what happened earlier this month, when President Trump visited Saudi Arabia, provoking the publication of a flurry of articles such as Fareed Zakaria’s “How Saudi Arabia played Donald Trump” criticizing the visit and describing the kingdom as the evil empire responsible for much of the world’s scourge of terrorism. If anything, such rhetoric only serves to further muddle a critical issue the world can ill afford to misdiagnose.

    In making Saudi Arabia the villain, critics inevitably cherry-pick their evidence to suit their constructed narrative. Their data point of preference is a leaked Hillary Clinton email claiming that the Saudi government provided financial support to radical Islamic groups. Meanwhile, the critics ignore much more credible findings, like those of the joint congressional commission investigating 9/11, which observed as far back as 2004 that “the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is now locked in mortal combat with al-Qaeda.” Or, more specifically, they ignore Daniel L. Glaser, the former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury for terrorism financing, who pointed out to Congress that “Saudi Arabia has emerged as a regional leader” in fighting terrorist financing.

    nstead of addressing these uncomfortable facts, pundits fall back on simplistic attacks against “Wahhabism,” the conservative strain of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia.
    While clearly intolerant and reactionary, Wahhabism has never taken root in Iraq or Syria, countries that had been ruled for decades by brutally secular dictatorships that strictly forbade any Wahhabi outreach to their people. Yet today those countries are the epicenter of radical jihadism. The same is true of Tunisia, which exports the highest number of fighters to the Islamic State — yet its secular leadership had also forbidden any conservative Islamic activity in the country since as far back as the 1950s. Finally, the claim that Wahhabism is uniquely intolerant also ignores other strains of Islam like the Deobandi school of India, which has given us the suicide-bombing Taliban.

    Critics also choose to ignore the systematic efforts that continue to be made by the Saudi authorities to rein in their clerics, edit intolerance out of schoolbooks and control any proselytizing abroad.
    Shut the fuck up, evil apologist.
    No one gives a fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Who knows what goes on behind the scenes? The police are literally a law unto themselves.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7607446.html
    Of course the Saudi apologist scum is unaware...an understatement in itself.
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    Strong words, can't see that helping the situation.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...itler-NYT.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shape Shifter View Post
    Strong words, can't see that helping the situation.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...itler-NYT.html
    Hitler analogies are never good, but MbS makes a very valid point about the size and scope of Iranian expansion
    under Ali Khamenei

    Mohammad bin Salman suggested the Islamic Republic's alleged expansion under Ayatollah Ali Khamenei needed to be confronted.
    But we learned from Europe that appeasement doesn't work. We don't want the new Hitler in Iran to repeat what happened in Europe in the Middle East,' the paper quoted him as saying
    He has also taken some steps to loosen its ultra-strict social restrictions, scaling back the role of religious morality police and announcing plans to allowing women to drive next year.

    He has announced wide plans for social and political reforms to the kingdom, which is ruled as an absolute monarchy with a powerful clergy that adheres to Wahhabism, an ultra-austere version of Sunni Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Hitler analogies are never good, but MbS makes a very valid point about the size and scope of Iranian expansion
    under Ali Khamenei





    He has also taken some steps to loosen its ultra-strict social restrictions, scaling back the role of religious morality police and announcing plans to allowing women to drive next year.

    He has announced wide plans for social and political reforms to the kingdom, which is ruled as an absolute monarchy with a powerful clergy that adheres to Wahhabism, an ultra-austere version of Sunni Islam.
    He is going to allow women to drive trucks and ride motorbikes, that's truly amazing. In addition, the ban on cinema going and the need to have male chaperones will be lifted.

    https://news.sky.com/story/saudi-wom...ifted-11172929


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I have no idea whether US mercenaries are torturing billionaire Saudis, but we have to be cheering the new Saudi leader.

    He is determined to moderate the country which would be a huge blow to radical Islam.
    Some of the princes he's torturing were already moderate forces. It's just a power grab.
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