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    Default A challenge for people who refused to vote for trump OR Hillary

    I'll list ten things trump is doing Hillary clearly wouldn't have that are harmful.

    You list the worst ten things you can reliably say Hillary would have done if elected - be specific - and say how harmful they would have been. Compare which is worse.

    1. Removed the DACA Dreamer protections for people who were brought to the US as children and have long lived here, for protection from deportation to a country they don't know.

    2. Fought against the climate, slavishly serving fossil fuel companies. The US is the only country in the world not in the Paris accords. Witch hunts were done in the government to find any scientists who had worked on climate change to get rid of them. The government has taken down any scientific information that shows the problem.

    3. Appointed the worst cabinet and officials in history. People like Rick Perry to run the Department of Energy *he campaigned on wanting to abolish* that controls all the nuclear weapons. People like Betsy De Voss to run the Department of Education, when she is the nation's leading enemy of public education, fighting a fundamentalist religious desire to replace public education with for-profit and as much as possible religious education, brother to Blackwater founder Eric Prince.

    4. Appointing radical right-wing judges to all the open seats, from names provided by the Federalist Society, including Neil Gorsuch, with an agenda to let the wealthy have unlimited power to control the political system, and to take power away from the people and weaken democracy, paving the way to destroying it.

    5. Ordered that transgender members of the military not be allowed to serve.

    6. Hugely escalated the deportations that were already high under Obama, to deport many people who have year often for decades, law-abiding other than immigration status, to the point of people avoiding courts, medical treatments, or shelters in natural disasters because of the threat of arrest.

    7. Fought for the repeal of the ACA, which would take healthcare from 25 million Americans; remove the requirement to insure people with pre-existing conditions; allow 'junk insurance' and remove many requirements for quality care.

    8. Fought for the worst bill in decades, the tax scam bill, which would even further increase inequality already at record levels by shifting trillions of dollars from Medicaid, Medicare, education and more for the public to tax cuts for the rich and big corporations.

    9. Bolstered anti-democratic authoritarianism domestically and globally. He can't say enough good about every dictator in the world who isn't his enemy (and he can't even help himself then, saying recently he and the North Korean dictator could be friends), such as the Philippines dictator who has killed thousands of people, some personally, and the dictator of Turkey, whose security forces beat American protesters in Washington, D. C. And, the pardon of racist abuser Joe Arpaio.

    This has led to the US hitting new lows in how it is viewed globally. For example, a survey of global expatriates found that the US has drooped in their ranking where they'd like to live from #5 in 2014 to #43 in 2017.

    10. Tried to undo the deal with Iran to prevent their obtaining nuclear weapons, slavishly supporting the Saudi and Israeli policies against Shiite Muslim countries like Iran.

    This is just from what he's already done in less than a year - such as killing more civilians with relaxed rules on drone use in less than a years than Obama killed in 8 years.

    Note I didn't include everything from his history of sexual assault to thousands of lies to the Russian and other organized crime issue and so much more that is less

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    But, Benghazi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    But, Benghazi!
    But, Niger. Republicans will be starting 14 committees investigating it for years, right? But let's keep this on the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    But, Niger. Republicans will be starting 14 committees investigating it for years, right? But let's keep this on the topic.
    This isn't even up for debate. Trump is the worst president this nation has elected in modern times. History is going to judge him amongst the worst five.

    And those people who claim they didn't vote for Trump? Observe how often they will run cover for Trump, defend Trump, or try to distract for Trump ("Look over there! The Democrats are worse!"). When you get right down to it, in the message board context, there is no tangible difference between someone who voted for Trump, and someone who spends inordinate amounts of time running cover for Trump.

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    I didn't vote for Trump for all of the obvious reasons and I didn't vote for Clinton because she voted for the Iraq War neither one is qualified to be a dog catcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    I didn't vote for Trump for all of the obvious reasons and I didn't vote for Clinton because she voted for the Iraq War neither one is qualified to be a dog catcher.
    Then u voted for Trump according to Deshtard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whataboutism View Post
    Then u voted for Trump according to Deshtard

    cant fix stupid

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    For one thing, Hillary said the first thing she would do would be to establish, "no fly zones" in Syria, and shoot down Russian planes which would have violated all international laws. World War 3 would be underway right now, if not already over.
    Last edited by Controlled Opposition; 11-21-2017 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    I'll list ten things trump is doing Hillary clearly wouldn't have that are harmful.

    You list the worst ten things you can reliably say Hillary would have done if elected - be specific - and say how harmful they would have been. Compare which is worse.

    1. Removed the DACA Dreamer protections for people who were brought to the US as children and have long lived here, for protection from deportation to a country they don't know.

    2. Fought against the climate, slavishly serving fossil fuel companies. The US is the only country in the world not in the Paris accords. Witch hunts were done in the government to find any scientists who had worked on climate change to get rid of them. The government has taken down any scientific information that shows the problem.

    3. Appointed the worst cabinet and officials in history. People like Rick Perry to run the Department of Energy *he campaigned on wanting to abolish* that controls all the nuclear weapons. People like Betsy De Voss to run the Department of Education, when she is the nation's leading enemy of public education, fighting a fundamentalist religious desire to replace public education with for-profit and as much as possible religious education, brother to Blackwater founder Eric Prince.

    4. Appointing radical right-wing judges to all the open seats, from names provided by the Federalist Society, including Neil Gorsuch, with an agenda to let the wealthy have unlimited power to control the political system, and to take power away from the people and weaken democracy, paving the way to destroying it.

    5. Ordered that transgender members of the military not be allowed to serve.

    6. Hugely escalated the deportations that were already high under Obama, to deport many people who have year often for decades, law-abiding other than immigration status, to the point of people avoiding courts, medical treatments, or shelters in natural disasters because of the threat of arrest.

    7. Fought for the repeal of the ACA, which would take healthcare from 25 million Americans; remove the requirement to insure people with pre-existing conditions; allow 'junk insurance' and remove many requirements for quality care.

    8. Fought for the worst bill in decades, the tax scam bill, which would even further increase inequality already at record levels by shifting trillions of dollars from Medicaid, Medicare, education and more for the public to tax cuts for the rich and big corporations.

    9. Bolstered anti-democratic authoritarianism domestically and globally. He can't say enough good about every dictator in the world who isn't his enemy (and he can't even help himself then, saying recently he and the North Korean dictator could be friends), such as the Philippines dictator who has killed thousands of people, some personally, and the dictator of Turkey, whose security forces beat American protesters in Washington, D. C. And, the pardon of racist abuser Joe Arpaio.

    This has led to the US hitting new lows in how it is viewed globally. For example, a survey of global expatriates found that the US has drooped in their ranking where they'd like to live from #5 in 2014 to #43 in 2017.

    10. Tried to undo the deal with Iran to prevent their obtaining nuclear weapons, slavishly supporting the Saudi and Israeli policies against Shiite Muslim countries like Iran.

    This is just from what he's already done in less than a year - such as killing more civilians with relaxed rules on drone use in less than a years than Obama killed in 8 years.

    Note I didn't include everything from his history of sexual assault to thousands of lies to the Russian and other organized crime issue and so much more that is less
    Is that not the reason that Mr. Trump was elected in the 1st place......your false premise "opinions"? Of course you list the 10 things.....and they are the exact same 10 things that helped Mr. Trump gain the presidency. Its not rocket science....THE PEOPLE have totally rejected your list of false premises. Live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    I'll list ten things trump is doing Hillary clearly wouldn't have that are harmful.

    You list the worst ten things you can reliably say Hillary would have done if elected - be specific - and say how harmful they would have been. Compare which is worse.

    1. Removed the DACA Dreamer protections for people who were brought to the US as children and have long lived here, for protection from deportation to a country they don't know.

    2. Fought against the climate, slavishly serving fossil fuel companies. The US is the only country in the world not in the Paris accords. Witch hunts were done in the government to find any scientists who had worked on climate change to get rid of them. The government has taken down any scientific information that shows the problem.

    3. Appointed the worst cabinet and officials in history. People like Rick Perry to run the Department of Energy *he campaigned on wanting to abolish* that controls all the nuclear weapons. People like Betsy De Voss to run the Department of Education, when she is the nation's leading enemy of public education, fighting a fundamentalist religious desire to replace public education with for-profit and as much as possible religious education, brother to Blackwater founder Eric Prince.

    4. Appointing radical right-wing judges to all the open seats, from names provided by the Federalist Society, including Neil Gorsuch, with an agenda to let the wealthy have unlimited power to control the political system, and to take power away from the people and weaken democracy, paving the way to destroying it.

    5. Ordered that transgender members of the military not be allowed to serve.

    6. Hugely escalated the deportations that were already high under Obama, to deport many people who have year often for decades, law-abiding other than immigration status, to the point of people avoiding courts, medical treatments, or shelters in natural disasters because of the threat of arrest.

    7. Fought for the repeal of the ACA, which would take healthcare from 25 million Americans; remove the requirement to insure people with pre-existing conditions; allow 'junk insurance' and remove many requirements for quality care.

    8. Fought for the worst bill in decades, the tax scam bill, which would even further increase inequality already at record levels by shifting trillions of dollars from Medicaid, Medicare, education and more for the public to tax cuts for the rich and big corporations.

    9. Bolstered anti-democratic authoritarianism domestically and globally. He can't say enough good about every dictator in the world who isn't his enemy (and he can't even help himself then, saying recently he and the North Korean dictator could be friends), such as the Philippines dictator who has killed thousands of people, some personally, and the dictator of Turkey, whose security forces beat American protesters in Washington, D. C. And, the pardon of racist abuser Joe Arpaio.

    This has led to the US hitting new lows in how it is viewed globally. For example, a survey of global expatriates found that the US has drooped in their ranking where they'd like to live from #5 in 2014 to #43 in 2017.

    10. Tried to undo the deal with Iran to prevent their obtaining nuclear weapons, slavishly supporting the Saudi and Israeli policies against Shiite Muslim countries like Iran.

    This is just from what he's already done in less than a year - such as killing more civilians with relaxed rules on drone use in less than a years than Obama killed in 8 years.

    Note I didn't include everything from his history of sexual assault to thousands of lies to the Russian and other organized crime issue and so much more that is less
    if you answer that you wish you had voted for Hilliary you're vote will be added to the tally of Los Angeles county and Hillary will have gotten 3M and seven votes instead of 3M more than Trump did.......nothing else will change......

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    I didn't vote for Trump for all of the obvious reasons and I didn't vote for Clinton because she voted for the Iraq War neither one is qualified to be a dog catcher.
    So you have zero answer to the OP - as I've said, you are responsible for all these things that are worse about trump and clueless that you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    For one thing, Hillary said the first thing she would do would be to establish, "no fly zones" in Syria, and shoot down Russian planes which would have violated her illegal rules. Thereby launching World War 3.
    No, actually, neither the US nor Russia want 'WW 3', and there's a long way between Hillary's no-fly zones and nuclear war. You cannot make a good case she would have led to nuclear war, though she WAS hawkish on Russia. Now weigh the list.

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    OK, so what's the challenge? I still would vote for Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloysious View Post
    OK, so what's the challenge? I still would vote for Johnson.
    It was clear: list the 10 things you can clearly show Hillary would have done and they're harm and why they're bad enough to justify the list I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    So you have zero answer to the OP - as I've said, you are responsible for all these things that are worse about trump and clueless that you are.

    come back when you are sober

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