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    Default In Texas police harass woman for anti-Trump decals on truck.

    Freedom of speech in a red state like Tex-ass depends on what you're saying I guess.

    Replace "Trump" with "Obama" or "Hillary" on that decal and she'd get a free pass.

    Woman with crude anti-Trump truck decal arrested for fraud

    DALLAS -- The driver of a pickup displaying an expletive-filled message to President Donald Trump and his supporters in the Houston area was arrested Thursday on an outstanding warrant.



    Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office records show Karen Fonseca was arrested about 2 p.m. Thursday on an outstanding fraud warrant issued in August by the Rosenberg Police Department. She was in the county jail Thursday night with bond set at $1,500.

    Fonseca was released from jail Thursday night after her husband posted her bond, CBS affiliate KHOU reported.

    "I'm almost certain it does have to do with (the truck decal)," she said after her release. "People abuse the badge, and in my opinion, money talks. When you're in politics, people know how to work the system."

    A sheriff's spokesman has not answered a message seeking details behind the warrant.

    Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy Nehls had threatened Fonseca with a disorderly conduct charge over the decal. However, District Attorney John Healey said he didn't think it would have been a prosecutable case.

    Fonseca had said she would not remove the decal. She said she had been stopped by law officers, but that they have no grounds to issue a citation.

    "It's not to cause hate or animosity," the 46-year-old Fonseca told the Houston Chronicle. "It's just our freedom of speech and we're exercising it."

    Nehls on Wednesday posted a photo of the truck message on Facebook alongside a request to speak with the driver.

    Nehls in his post said that a county prosecutor told him the message could warrant a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct. But at a news conference later Wednesday, he seemed to back away from that idea. Nehls said he supports freedom of speech but worried that profane messages could incite others and lead to confrontations that would disturb the peace he's pledged to keep.

    A spokeswoman for the sheriff's office, which covers the county just southwest of Houston, said Thursday that Nehls' post was removed once the pickup driver was identified.

    "Due to the hate messages he has been receiving toward his wife and children, the sheriff will not be commenting on the matter further," spokeswoman Caitilin Espinosa said by email.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas posted on Facebook that Fonseca's message is protected speech and urged her to reach out to the organization. The ACLU noted a 1971 U.S. Supreme Court case that overturned the conviction of a man for disturbing the peace for wearing a jacket with an expletive as part of an effort to protest the military draft and the Vietnam War.

    A woman who raised her middle finger in October to Trump's motorcade as it passed her in Virginia was fired from a government contracting firm for violating the "code of conduct policy." But the Texas case differs in that a government entity threatened punitive action for vulgar material directed at the president.

    Lynne Rambo, a law professor at Texas A&M University specializing in the First Amendment, said Thursday that the 1971 Supreme Court case made two points clear: the state's attempt to regulate profanity or civil discourse is not a sufficient reason to justify restricting speech, and profane language directed at a specific person is different from vulgar content that's broadly disseminated.

    "It's state action to threaten as (Nehls) did and he really ought to know First Amendment law better than that," Rambo said.

    Fonseca says the message has been on the rear window of the pickup for nearly a year and it'll stay there for the time-being.

    "There's no law against freedom of speech, nothing in the law book here in Texas," she told KHOU. "I've been stopped numerous times, but they can't write me a ticket."
    I'm surprised some right-wing redneck, NRA lackey gun freak hasn't shot her windows out yet.
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    more people here in TX called for the sheriff to back off and respect 1st Amendment rights, pressured the prosecutor to not even consider charges. Some were idiots, but most were not.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    How nice Wonder if she's a room mother and a soccer mom car-pooling kind of gal..that car must be a huge hit in the elementary parking lot. Her kids must be so proud of her.
    And she probably delivers meals to seniors on Sunday.
    God Bless Her
    Oh, wait. Fraud charges?
    Never mind

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    Is Gomad claiming the arrest wasn't for fraud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Freedom of speech in a red state like Tex-ass depends on what you're saying I guess.

    Replace "Trump" with "Obama" or "Hillary" on that decal and she'd get a free pass.



    I'm surprised some right-wing redneck, NRA lackey gun freak hasn't shot her windows out yet.
    The stupid cunt has an outstanding arrest warrant for fraud and she is stupid enough to put a red flag on her truck that basically says I'm an idiot stop me!

    I personally don't care what you put on public display. But if it''s offensive be prepared for confrontation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    The stupid cunt has an outstanding arrest warrant for fraud....
    From the article in the OP: "A sheriff's spokesman has not answered a message seeking details behind the warrant."

    So, how exactly did she commit fraud? What was her crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    ...and she is stupid enough to put a red flag that says I'm an idiot stop me! .

    I personally don't care what you put on public display. But if it''s offensive be prepared for confrontation.
    Are you saying it's OK for the police to harass someone based on their window decals?

    Because that's exactly what it sounds like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    From the article in the OP: "A sheriff's spokesman has not answered a message seeking details behind the warrant."

    So, how exactly did she commit fraud? What was her crime?



    Are you saying it's OK for the police to harass someone based on their window decals?

    Because that's exactly what it sounds like.
    I'm not saying that but there are exceptions if you put extremely offensive decals on your car your going to get stopped. Your right to free speech ends at my right not to see uninvited offensive material. You do know there are obscenity laws against such displays don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    From the article in the OP: "A sheriff's spokesman has not answered a message seeking details behind the warrant."

    So, how exactly did she commit fraud? What was her crime?



    Are you saying it's OK for the police to harass someone based on their window decals?

    Because that's exactly what it sounds like.
    Forgot to address your asinine complaint about the fraud charge. In order to have bail it must be set by a judge, so clearly there was enough evidence to support the fraud charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post


    Are you saying it's OK for the police to harass someone based on their window decals?.
    If it contains a big ol' F-bomb, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    I'm not saying that but there are exceptions if you put extremely offensive decals on your car your going to get stopped. Your right to free speech ends at my right not to see uninvited offensive material. You do know there are obscenity laws against such displays don't you?

    You do not have a right to not be offended. The SCOTUS ruled a long time ago that things like this are protected speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    You do not have a right to not be offended. The SCOTUS ruled a long time ago that things like this are protected speech.
    Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing that out.

    The article I posted explained all of that but then, you know how it is with right-wingers and reading comprehension...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing that out.

    The article I posted explained all of that but then, you know how it is with right-wingers and reading comprehension...


    To be fair. I saw a lot of left wingers making the exact same complaint when people did the same thing but with Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing that out.

    The article I posted explained all of that but then, you know how it is with right-wingers and reading comprehension...
    Is it just me, or is the right the real snowflakes? So much so, that they want to ignore freedom of speech. Some of the crankiest nuts over the flag, probably have no issue with the Confederate one, or even wave it about proudly. I'd have to wipe my ass with a flag on TV, to compete with that level of disgracing the flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    You do not have a right to not be offended. The SCOTUS ruled a long time ago that things like this are protected speech.
    Nobody said a fucking thing about being offended that is a liberal emotion. As I said you can display lewd material but be prepared to be stopped. Now unless you are a constitutional attorney your opinion is no better than mine. Would you be as supportive if the sign was about Obama or Hillary? Somehow I doubt it.

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