Why do we have all these idiots jumping on Al Franken, over this one accusation?

[Craig234]

It's a big world out there Zap. Try reading things other than rawstory. Even other Democratic writers and you might see it.

What are you saying was wrong in his post?

[ThatOwlWoman]

Can you show me any evidence whatsoever that trump's voters gave a CRAP what he had done wrong, that they would abandon him if Clinton had resigned? His grabbing tape was as bad as the rest of this stuff, and he kept their votes.
They don't care. They attack the other side and are blind to any wrongs of theirs, short of his decapitating Melania at a rally or something. And even then who knows.

"She deserved it." -- Trumpanzees en masse

[Micawber]

Has Trump apologized? He doesn't even accept responsibility for documented fails, like multiple BKs and his fraud University or his cratered casinos.
He blamed that on having black accountants instead of Jews. I watched his idiotic "fired" show once or twice. It wasn't about a fucking thing to do with business.
You could win that show and have never balanced a checkbook as long as properly sucked his wang.

A comedian did a tasteless sight gag and they want to hand him but don't care about Dump at all.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Sorry, but how you vote counts more than just what you do personally, which only counts with the people you can touch.

Being pro-woman is about supporting women that you never see or touch. Not about how you treat the women in your family.

Gender equality, reproductive rights, and women's empowerment .. are those issues that you support with your vote?

Wonderfully said truth here. You can replace the word "women" with any number of other groups of human beings. "Gays," "people of color," "the poor," etc. Just because in person you are not homophobic, racist, or lacking in compassion towards those in poverty -- if you vote for candidates who have these negative attributes, you're just as bad as he/she is.

Great post.

[cawacko]

Wonderfully said truth here. You can replace the word "women" with any number of other groups of human beings. "Gays," "people of color," "the poor," etc. Just because in person you are not homophobic, racist, or lacking in compassion towards those in poverty -- if you vote for candidates who have these negative attributes, you're just as bad as he/she is.

Great post.

When people of color say the Democratic Party hurts their people are they not to believed? Or should they be silenced? Discredited?

And when people voted for Bill Clinton were they saying it's ok to do the things he did? Or am I missing the point that no ones personal actions matter it's only how we vote?

[cawacko]

And what about the people who don't vote straight party line? Are they half racist and half sexist?

[cawacko]

What are you saying was wrong in his post?

If you think there's hypocrisy by only one "side" in politics then I'd argue there's a whole world out there to see

[ThatOwlWoman]

When people of color say the Democratic Party hurts their people are they not to believed? Or should they be silenced? Discredited?
And when people voted for Bill Clinton were they saying it's ok to do the things he did? Or am I missing the point that no ones personal actions matter it's only how we vote?

If people of color believe that (D) candidates are not helpful to their personal beliefs, what is the problem with that? BTW, the vast majority of people of color believe that Republicans are hurting their people, not (D)s.

People voted for Clinton in 1994 not knowing what was to come. I am one of them. As I've mentioned before here, I voted for the (L) guy in 1998 due to my disgust with his unethical behavior in the WH. I felt that my ballot cast for him was condoning him.

What's your point here, really?

[cawacko]

If people of color believe that (D) candidates are not helpful to their personal beliefs, what is the problem with that? BTW, the vast majority of people of color believe that Republicans are hurting their people, not (D)s.

People voted for Clinton in 1994 not knowing what was to come. I am one of them. As I've mentioned before here, I voted for the (L) guy in 1998 due to my disgust with his unethical behavior in the WH. I felt that my ballot cast for him was condoning him.

What's your point here, really?

I do not agree at all that peoples individual actions are trumped by how they vote. I'm a life long Republican who voted for Gary Johnson in '16 and have been called a racist for doing so. Libertarians have generally always been called racist. So even though you voted your conscious in '96 do you get to escape being called a racist, sexist etc for not voting for Clinton?

[Jade Dragon]

If people of color believe that (D) candidates are not helpful to their personal beliefs, what is the problem with that? BTW, the vast majority of people of color believe that Republicans are hurting their people, not (D)s.

People voted for Clinton in 1994 not knowing what was to come. I am one of them. As I've mentioned before here, I voted for the (L) guy in 1998 due to my disgust with his unethical behavior in the WH. I felt that my ballot cast for him was condoning him.

What's your point here, really?

Cawacko confuses me, so I think I'll stay out of this one.

[cawacko]

Cawacko confuses me, so I think I'll stay out of this one.

For better or worse I'll be honest. Ask away

[ThatOwlWoman]

I do not agree at all that peoples individual actions are trumped by how they vote. I'm a life long Republican who voted for Gary Johnson in '16 and have been called a racist for doing so. Libertarians have generally always been called racist. So even though you voted your conscious in '96 do you get to escape being called a racist, sexist etc for not voting for Clinton?

Um, how would not voting for a guy who had an affair while President (or while not President for that matter) be in any way considered "sexist" or "racist"? And in what way are Libertarians considered racist? They tend to be kind of weird, in general, but I have never heard the blanket condemnation that they're racist that you claim. Maybe individual ones.

I don't think that Coal was saying that our voting record trumps our individual behaviors. But it certainly shows that if you vote for a proven misogynist candidate, for instance, that you really don't give a shit about the issues that affect women in general, and those in your own life specifically. Ditto for voting for a known racist candidate. Or one who espouses a "fuck the environment" stance.... what good does it do for you to recycle and plant trees if you vote for a "Drill baby drill, burn that coal!" candidate?

[blackascoal]

Wonderfully said truth here. You can replace the word "women" with any number of other groups of human beings. "Gays," "people of color," "the poor," etc. Just because in person you are not homophobic, racist, or lacking in compassion towards those in poverty -- if you vote for candidates who have these negative attributes, you're just as bad as he/she is.

Great post.

Well said.

This is cultural change hundreds of years in the making.

I'm a big fan of yours. Thanks again.

[blackascoal]

When people of color say the Democratic Party hurts their people are they not to believed? Or should they be silenced? Discredited?

And when people voted for Bill Clinton were they saying it's ok to do the things he did? Or am I missing the point that no ones personal actions matter it's only how we vote?

Quite obviously good brother, there are far, far more people of color who find a sense of political power within the Democratic Party than those who vote for your republicans. Should 90% be discounted .. or should the 8% who vote for republicans be given more credit than their numbers deserve?

If you are so different in character than the party you vote for .. why do you vote for them?

You are what you eat.

[anatta]

did we not have a formal Impeachment that was basically about Bill Clinton's character?

why are we re-litigating this again ?? Is nothing ever settled??
I would think Impeachment proceedings which are the death penalty of politics would stand the test of time

( and no. I would NOT have wanted Bill Clinton to resign a fairly successful presidency to resign!)

Please stop all attempts to re-write history..