Trump's weakness is a threat to national security, and the security of free nations

[Amadeus]

Trump is either intimidated by Putin, or he's in love with Putin, or he's in cahoots with Putin. Or Putin has dirt on Trump (as is suspected by everyone under the moon and sun), and he's being held hostage via extortion. Trump gives Putin a free pass and lay-up on every dirty act he's engaged in. Where are the sanctions? Where is tough talk on Putin's actions in the Ukraine? He's by far the weakest-on-Russia president in American history. More than that, he's weak on China. China has never been in a stronger position than it has been under Trump. What happened to that tough campaign talk that China is raping America? He's weak on the Philippines. Where is America's moral authority on the insane human rights abuses being undertaken by Duterte? He's ultimately weak on North Korea (because he's weak on China and Russia). He's weak on Saudi Arabia -- putting America's entire credibility on the line as MBS pulls every vestige of power in an already-corrupt nation under his sole authority (FYI, the clerics are largely untouched, it's his rivals that are being arrested). What MBS is doing is following Putin's playbook for consolidating power (unofficially coined as 'Putinizing). Trump not only doesn't voice a concern, he overtly endorses this power-grab.

Trump, for all his twitter-boasting, is actually one of the weakest presidents in American history. Maybe the weakest. Jimmy Carter looks tough by comparison, and at least he had a number of international achievements. How can Trump supporters tolerate this chronic weakness?

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ot-modernizing

[signalmankenneth]

[Cancel 2020.1]

Putin plays Trump like a fiddle. In private, he has to crack up about it - for an ex-KGB guy like that, Trump must seem like putty in his hands.

All he has to do is butter him up a little bit, and Trump is all in. It is definitely a scary thing for national security.

[Getin the ring]

You mean like Obama whispering in Putins ear "Ill have a lot more leverage once the election is over"?
Or Hillary taking the cute little Russian reset " button to meet Putin?

https://www.investors.com/wp-content...-080116-AP.jpg

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asset...-super-169.jpg

[Getin the ring]

Putin plays Trump like a fiddle. In private, he has to crack up about it - for an ex-KGB guy like that, Trump must seem like putty in his hands.

All he has to do is butter him up a little bit, and Trump is all in. It is definitely a scary thing for national security.

you can't be this stupid ^^^
so I'll assume it's your attempt at sarcasm

[Cancel 2020.1]

You mean like Obama whispering in Putins ear "Ill have a lot more leverage once the election is over"?
Or Hillary taking the cute little Russian reset " button to meet Putin?

https://www.investors.com/wp-content...-080116-AP.jpg

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asset...-super-169.jpg

You realize those examples aren't comparable at all, right?

The issue is gullibility. All you did was find examples w/ Obama and Clinton that related to Russia - neither reveals the kind of gullibility Trump showed this past week.

Even Trump realized it, since he backtracked somewhat dramatically from his original "I believe him" comments.

[anatta]

gawd what manifest stupidity. "where are the sanctions?"
( right under your nose on Uk, and more to come on "da Russians" election meddling)

Trump says basically we need China and Russia's help on dealing with NK..and this "weak"?? it's real.

But at the same time he's devoting time to east Asia that Obama never did, and he's getting the littoral states
and Vietnam to push back on China's 10 dash line..ANd working on trade issues as well.

But he has to give in to China's currency manipulation, if he wants there help on NK ( the art of the deal)

The rest of that rant is not worth any more keystrokes

[Amadeus]

You mean like Obama whispering in Putins ear "Ill have a lot more leverage once the election is over"?
Or Hillary taking the cute little Russian reset " button to meet Putin?

Wrong about Obama, and the Russian reset happened long before Putin machinations in the Ukraine and Syria, and against America. Obama said that he'd have more flexibility to work with Medvedev -- who ultimately turned out to be a facade and shield for Putin controlling Russia. And whatever you say about Obama's weakness on Russia, you have to increase tenfold with Trump -- because he exists as president AFTER Putin's misdeeds are laid bare. Obama's naivety occurred before Putin invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea -- before he propped up Assad -- before he interfered in the US election. After Obama turned on the sanctions. What is Trump's excuse other than that he's just fucking stupid at best?

[Amadeus]

gawd what manifest stupidity. "where are the sanctions?"
( right under your nose on Uk, and more to come on "da Russians" election meddling)

Trump says basically we need China and Russia's help on dealing with NK..and this "weak"?? it's real.

What is Trump doing to bring pressure on China and Russia? Other than nothing.

[evince]

gawd what manifest stupidity. "where are the sanctions?"
( right under your nose on Uk, and more to come on "da Russians" election meddling)

Trump says basically we need China and Russia's help on dealing with NK..and this "weak"?? it's real.

But at the same time he's devoting time to east Asia that Obama never did, and he's getting the littoral states
and Vietnam to push back on China's 10 dash line..ANd working on trade issues as well.

But he has to give in to China's currency manipulation, if he wants there help on NK ( the art of the deal)

The rest of that rant is not worth any more keystrokes

suck that Putin cock russobot

[anatta]

What is Trump doing to bring pressure on China and Russia? Other than nothing.

UN speech produced China prohibiting ALL of it's banks from dealing with NK
New promises from China on not allowing a "nuclear pennisula" ( more details after Trump returns)

Since Trump hasn't had but a fleeting meeting w/Putin -and because Obama stopped all lower level talks,
and because Congress interferes with the CIC's role as chief foreign diplomat not a lot else can get done with Putin

There was an agreement to give the US a functional seat at any new Geneva peace talks over Syria
( if and when they happen) - and not just observer status.
and an expansion of the cease fire in Syria, as well as permanent de-confliction with Russia in Syria

[Superfreak]

Trump is either intimidated by Putin, or he's in love with Putin, or he's in cahoots with Putin. Or Putin has dirt on Trump (as is suspected by everyone under the moon and sun), and he's being held hostage via extortion. Trump gives Putin a free pass and lay-up on every dirty act he's engaged in. Where are the sanctions? Where is tough talk on Putin's actions in the Ukraine? He's by far the weakest-on-Russia president in American history. More than that, he's weak on China. China has never been in a stronger position than it has been under Trump. What happened to that tough campaign talk that China is raping America? He's weak on the Philippines. Where is America's moral authority on the insane human rights abuses being undertaken by Duterte? He's ultimately weak on North Korea (because he's weak on China and Russia). He's weak on Saudi Arabia -- putting America's entire credibility on the line as MBS pulls every vestige of power in an already-corrupt nation under his sole authority (FYI, the clerics are largely untouched, it's his rivals that are being arrested). What MBS is doing is following Putin's playbook for consolidating power (unofficially coined as 'Putinizing). Trump not only doesn't voice a concern, he overtly endorses this power-grab.

Trump, for all his twitter-boasting, is actually one of the weakest presidents in American history. Maybe the weakest. Jimmy Carter looks tough by comparison, and at least he had a number of international achievements. How can Trump supporters tolerate this chronic weakness?

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ot-modernizing

What exactly did Obama do about Russia being in the Ukraine? In Syria? What did Obama do on China?

Obama was the worst at foreign policy in my lifetime.

[Superfreak]

Wrong about Obama, and the Russian reset happened long before Putin machinations in the Ukraine and Syria, and against America. Obama said that he'd have more flexibility to work with Medvedev -- who ultimately turned out to be a facade and shield for Putin controlling Russia. And whatever you say about Obama's weakness on Russia, you have to increase tenfold with Trump -- because he exists as president AFTER Putin's misdeeds are laid bare. Obama's naivety occurred before Putin invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea -- before he propped up Assad -- before he interfered in the US election. After Obama turned on the sanctions. What is Trump's excuse other than that he's just fucking stupid at best?

LMAO... Obama mocked Romney's concerns about Russia, saying the cold war wanted its foreign policy back. Obama was a complete simpleton when it came to foreign policy.

Hand down, Obama is the worst President on foreign policy in the past 50 years.

[anatta]

LMAO... Obama mocked Romney's concerns about Russia, saying the cold war wanted its foreign policy back. Obama was a complete simpleton when it came to foreign policy.

Hand down, Obama is the worst President on foreign policy in the past 50 years.

i can make a strong case US meddling by U.S.A.I.D in the Ukraine's Euromaiden turned a protest for affinity
towards the EU and Constitutional reform into a revolution.

The resulting Kyiv government threatened Putin's access to Sevastopol ( as did the one before Yanukovych )- leaving Putin no real alternative but to Annex Crimea

[Amadeus]

LMAO... Obama mocked Romney's concerns about Russia, saying the cold war wanted its foreign policy back.

Romney was correct, Obama was wrong. And a metric fuckton of events happened AFTER Obama made that miscalculation. Which makes Trump and his verbal fellatio and adoration of Putin... what?

You have to follow your own logic to its own conclusion. Why are you afraid to do so?