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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    1. Oswald acted alone.

    2. Certain CIA figures misguidedly thinking they were protecting the free world had Kennedy assassinated, using Oswald as a patsy and likely with MKULTRA conditioning; in this case, Ruby could have acted on behalf of Carlos Marcello, at the request of the CIA. Most likely CIA figures to be involved are led by Allen Dulles, followed by Richard Helms, James Angleton, and a few others. LBJ slightly involved? Possibly, not likely. J. Edgar Hoover and Warren Commission outside of Dulles not involved.

    It's pretty remarkable how strong the cases for each of these scenarios are. It's also pretty remarkable how many basic issues have not been resolved.
    come on


    why is it hard to believe some gun nutter killed kennedy all on a idiot nutball whim.


    look at the reagan assasination


    The world hasnt changed much huh.


    except now its much harder to kill people like the president


    so now nutters like this just kill people at a country concert in vegas huh



    the simplist answer is often the most likely senario

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    come on


    why is it hard to believe some gun nutter killed kennedy all on a idiot nutball whim.


    look at the reagan assasination


    The world hasnt changed much huh.


    except now its much harder to kill people like the president


    so now nutters like this just kill people at a country concert in vegas huh



    the simplist answer is often the most likely senario
    Nobody has ever been able to replicate the shot. Even highly trained snipers. Oswald was one lucky mother fucker

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    come on


    why is it hard to believe some gun nutter killed kennedy all on a idiot nutball whim.


    look at the reagan assasination


    The world hasnt changed much huh.


    except now its much harder to kill people like the president


    so now nutters like this just kill people at a country concert in vegas huh



    the simplist answer is often the most likely senario

    Well I guess there are two points. Do you not understand that scenario number 1 of 2 I posted IS that Oswald acted alone?

    And there's a hell of a lot of evidence that's important to understand making the second scenario plausible. 'Simple' is neither proof nor helpful in getting to the truth on this when used to simply say 'don't look at the evidence for a conspiracy'.

    Simply pointing to other crimes does not answer what happened here.

    Before the Iraq War when Bush was looking for justification to attack, he had a plan to put Iraqi exiles into Iraq who would announce a coup, forcing Saddam to attack them, and then use that to justify the invasion. You could say the 'simplest explanation' had
    that happened would have been for there to be no US role and you'd have been wrong, as they wanted. You have to not just say 'simple is right' even if it usually is.

    Otherwise, you're at their mercy when they do conspire on something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    Well I guess there are two points. Do you not understand that scenario number 1 of 2 I posted IS that Oswald acted alone?

    And there's a hell of a lot of evidence that's important to understand making the second scenario plausible. 'Simple' is neither proof nor helpful in getting to the truth on this when used to simply say 'don't look at the evidence for a conspiracy'.

    Simply pointing to other crimes does not answer what happened here.

    Before the Iraq War when Bush was looking for justification to attack, he had a plan to put Iraqi exiles into Iraq who would announce a coup, forcing Saddam to attack them, and then use that to justify the invasion. You could say the 'simplest explanation' had
    that happened would have been for there to be no US role and you'd have been wrong, as they wanted. You have to not just say 'simple is right' even if it usually is.

    Otherwise, you're at their mercy when they do conspire on something.
    link to proof of your claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    link to proof of your claims?
    I don't have links handy for that particular plot. But there are plenty of others well established that make the same point.

    I don't know if you're at all familiar with CIA history. Just checking for a quick link on the one above, here are a couple links for you - one about an earlier coup against Saddam the CIA did attempt in 1998, and another more general link on plots.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ir...o-1145298.html

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    Well I guess there are two points. Do you not understand that scenario number 1 of 2 I posted IS that Oswald acted alone?

    And there's a hell of a lot of evidence that's important to understand making the second scenario plausible. 'Simple' is neither proof nor helpful in getting to the truth on this when used to simply say 'don't look at the evidence for a conspiracy'.

    Simply pointing to other crimes does not answer what happened here.

    Before the Iraq War when Bush was looking for justification to attack, he had a plan to put Iraqi exiles into Iraq who would announce a coup, forcing Saddam to attack them, and then use that to justify the invasion. You could say the 'simplest explanation' had
    that happened would have been for there to be no US role and you'd have been wrong, as they wanted. You have to not just say 'simple is right' even if it usually is.

    Otherwise, you're at their mercy when they do conspire on something.
    is this a claim or a senario?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    Nobody has ever been able to replicate the shot. Even highly trained snipers. Oswald was one lucky mother fucker
    There's a lot of debate about the odds of Oswald making the shots. But the bottom line is that it was possible for the shots to hit and the question is the probability. It is interesting to ask why one of three would have totally missed the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    is this a claim or a senario?
    It's a claim that it was an approved plan that was not carried out.

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    Good insight OP.

    Also hi everyone, I'm new here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post

    Certain CIA figures misguidedly thinking they were protecting the free world had Kennedy assassinated...
    No one had a motive other than LBJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetruth1 View Post
    Good insight OP.

    Also hi everyone, I'm new here.
    Thanks for the nice comment.

    And hi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right View Post
    No one had a motive other than LBJ.
    It's hard to fit that much wrong in that few words. The mafia and the national security establishment both had massive motives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetruth1 View Post
    Good insight OP.

    Also hi everyone, I'm new here.
    Where from art tho?
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    I just can't believe that the Warren Commission was honest and accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsexaminer View Post
    I just can't believe that the Warren Commission was honest and accurate.
    It mostly was, but there were limits.

    It tried, and was very impressive in what it WAS able to do. But that wasn't nearly enough.

    It had Allen Dulled largely running the commission, with his loyalty to protecting the CIA, whatever that involved, obviously the worst case his being involved in a conspiracy which is unproven but all too plausible.

    It had Gerald Ford acting as an informant on the Commission for the FBI, and agencies hiding what they wanted, with the commission powerless to do much about it, with limited time, staff, funds.

    It had limited tools, limited science. It had things like the CIA lying to it to hide what evidence had about Oswald in Mexico City - and evidence of an impersonator.

    Not many realize that the original plan for the commission by Burger was for it to spend about six weeks reviewing the FBI's report on the assassination, approving it, and that was it.

    It was when Warren saw the report as terribly low quality and inadequate that he hugely expanded the commission's plan.

    There's a lot of good to say about the commission - but in the larger context, a lot of flaws that weren't intentional by the commission. One mistake: not bringing Jack Ruby to Washington for his full statement as he begged.

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