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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
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    All of that (except for having an abortion) is available either free or on a sliding scale from State Health Departments. Taxpayers already pay taxes for those services provided by the SHD's. Abortion Clinics provide abortions and referrals to outside medical clinics for the other services. We have no need of paying additional taxes to fund Planned Parenthood. They are nothing but another referral service and as I've shown, people can just go to their county's SHD.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    I can't see pmp responses but I see he wrote like 40 posts in a row! 😵

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    Haven't read through everything - but has anyone answered the question of the OP yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Haven't read through everything - but has anyone answered the question of the OP yet?
    Not really, except he’s got a new money making idea, selling embryos on the black market.

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    I have one simple question? Is the right to have an abortion in the constitution? Let's say...using some convoluted logic and reason, its a right....found in the constitution in small print (that I have just not found yet).

    Why should the right of abortion and contraception be funded by the people's tax money when none of the other personal rights such as speech, press (will the tax payers pay for anyone to start a newspaper), voting, the right OF religion (will the tax payers pay for you to build a new church building?).....how about the right to bear arms....I can't wait until Uncle Sam uses tax money to pay me in order that I can purchase new firearms?

    The point is....what makes the supposed right to an abortion more important than any other personal right of a supposed liberty? Anyone? Are females SPECIAL People...elite...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separa...Bill_of_Rights



    Jefferson and the Bill of Rights[edit]
    Main articles: Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause


    Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States, whose letter to the Danbury Baptists Association is often quoted in debates regarding the separation of church and state.
    In English, the exact term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes:


    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.[25]


    Jefferson was describing to the Baptists that the United States Bill of Rights prevents the establishment of a national church, and in so doing they did not have to fear government interference in their right to expressions of religious conscience. The Bill of Rights was one of the earliest examples in the world of complete religious freedom (adopted in 1791, only preceded by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in 1789).[original
    That letter is not in the US Constitution

    Why are you lying?

    The words separation of church and state do not exist in the Constitution. Period. End of story

    It does not say what you think it says

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    No law that forces others to live by the rules one religion.


    that is whaat establishing a religion means.
    No it isn’t

    It meant having a Church of England

    How does having the 10 Commandments on the courthouse lawn force you to practice a certain religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
    The liberals always think people who don’t believe in their ideology haven’t studied, prayed, begged or at one time were part of the “faithful”. They want to desperately think we haven’t studied or don’t understand. It makes them feel better I guess and superior to the “unbelievers” because they supposedly understand, yet, much of what they believe isnt provable and just be taken on faith alone.
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
    What a horrible thing to say, he has claimed a belief in God on many occasions, his beliefs are just different from yours.
    Why do always feel the need to answer for others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    so that means you are allowed to force me and others to live under the tennents of your religion as YOU interpet them?



    what if all the other religions in America did the same?
    Islam for instance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    you better go back and check

    I think it was me your thining of

    stop panicing and calm down and discuss this like decent people


    these are just the same debates the founders had when they decided NO RELIGION should have its hands on our government
    If what you say is true, then why is "In God we trust" the official motto of the USA? It says so in Wikipedia and we all know how much you love it!!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    thats nice


    so how does that fit in with you having YOUR religion be the LAW for everyone else in America
    Yet people like you, Crypiss and Rana cannot understand why so many are wary of Islam, especially Salifism. Try wearing a cross in public in many Muslim countries like the UAE or much of the Middle East.

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    That's a thousand lives! Of course I'd go for the embryos. Let the 5 year old die.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    you have a person with a gun in hand threatening to kill all those around him. in the other corner, you have a stack of 36 AR-15s fully loaded. Do you shoot and kill the person holding the gun who is threatening or do you confiscate the 36 AR-15s from the other corner?

    In all my years of dealing with idiots who claim guns are to blame for gun violence, i'd like a straight answer for once.
    If I made a move for an AR-15 I'm like 100% sure the guy with the gun would shoot me.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corazón View Post
    If what you say is true, then why is "In God we trust" the official motto of the USA? It says so in Wikipedia and we all know how much you live it!!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

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    Idiots in 1954 adopted it. The founders never did.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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