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Never having been under a hailstorm of enemy fire myself, I am not in a position to say.
I always got the impression from my great-Uncle, who was at the Battle of the Bulge, that he was fighting for his friends, his mates who in the foxholes with him. I believe to him, the job was to protect his friends and to defeat Hitler so they could all get back home in one piece. I don't know if they were thinking about flags or constitutions foremost in their minds.
I also have a letter from a distant great uncle on my mother's side of the family from the civil war. Written to his wife, circa 1864. He was serving in a Pennsylvania regiment. You would be amazed at how articulate and thoughtful your average Union soldier could be. His writing seems to make it clear he felt their mission was to end slavery in the southern states. Both as a moral, and practical imperative. Gripping stuff, man!
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Stretch (10-22-2017)
Well, it's the bottom line of your ideology, and you can't seriously deny it. You've said repeatedly that human rights is a cute or quaint idea, and that economic growth is the only metric of a nation. You've repeatedly said that America should get out of the 'human rights' business, and allow nations to do whatever they want (while pushing for closer relations to such nations). What exactly are soldiers dying for, if not those values?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
I don't know how you were diverted / You were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted / No one alerted you
Stretch (10-22-2017)
I was watching Ken Burns Vietnam series, which prompted the thread. I don't want to put any words in his mouth, but one of the vets was saying that he really celebrated the protests that were going on in America at that time, and that they represented what he was fighting for.
That's why the NFL thing reminds me of the flag-burning amendment. I don't think people realize how unique our right to burn the flag is. It's amazing. In some countries, as we know, you can't even say a critical word about the government or country. Being able to actually burn the flag is the ultimate counter to that - our allowance of it, as offensive as it might be, is a profound expression of liberty.
Blind???
It's getting a little boring to keep saying the same thing over and over ad nauseum, but I'll say it one more time...and still in English, too. LOL
I don't care what people want to protest about...right or left. Everybody can speak all they want to according to the Constitution, the law and/or their employer's rules. Who in their right mind would NOT want to ensure that people of all races be treated equally? It's about HOW AND WHEN to deliver such messages in order to gain the most FAVORABLE impact for their cause.
If one's employer says it's OK on company time, fine. Do it. And, realize it's OTHER people's right to disagree with it.
Let them work it out with their employers, lawyers, unions, sponsors, whatever.
There are risks and rewards for public demonstrations. People need to be adults about it and be ready to receive acceptance or rejection of whatever they're standing up for. THAT is also the American way.
Kap forced his concerns by co-mingling his concerns with the American flag and the National Anthem. THIS has been the problem...NOT his concerns. He just didn't use common sense and FOCUS or ZERO IN if you will, and make it specific. He went with his emotions instead. He wanted the attention for himself, NOT his concerns by wearing pig cop socks, Che Guevara shirts, etc. When people have a true and sincere cause they are striving to bring national attention to, the last thing they would want is more focus on THEM instead of their message.
Then of course it snowballed and here's the convoluted results we end up with and the consequences that follow.
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Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
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