Shocking, another mass murder, they've become as American as apple pie

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It’s referred to as the First Amendment. Certainly, your Creator has nothing to do with it.

Where did the first amendment come from? Who gave you the first amendment right?

[domer76]

But the Constitution says that what I say is true.

The federal government possesses only the express, limited powers granted to it.

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Everything not granted to the feds is retained by the people (rights) or the states (state powers delegated by the state's citizens through their particular constitutions, again holding rights out of the compact).

State constitution are especially interesting to read. They call out the rights of the citizen before any powers are delegated or duties assigned.

Just for shits and giggles my state's (Pennsylvania) first constitution established in 1776 first calls out "THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS" then begins to set-out the "PLAN OR FRAME OF GOVERNMENT".

Wouldn't that be backwards if rights only existed because of their recognition by government?

The current PA constitution still follows that formula; in Article I the origin and existence of rights are declared and forever held out of the powers being conferred, then the government's powers and organization and duties laid out in subsequent Articles.

Do you find that structure of state constitutions at all interesting or compelling?

“All is retained that is not surrendered.”

No shit, huh?

[domer76]

Never heard of the 9th or 10th Amendments huh? They announce the principles of conferred powers and retained rights and that of inherent (retained) unenumerated (not codified) rights as being rules of constitutional interpretation.

I find it amusing (in a 'what a dumb fuck' kinda way) that you are disavowing the legal theory by which the right to privacy and the derivative rights of abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights including gay marriage have been recognized and secured.

Did you mean to do that or is that just a unintended outcome that flows from your profound ignorance of the US Constitution?

I mentioned nothing about LGBTQ rights or abortion, which were secured under the exercise of completely different rights. But you knew that, didn’t you?

[domer76]

the main problem with most libs and cons is that they feel they have to rely upon supreme court decisions as to what the constitution allows and doesn't allow. It shows an inability to think for themselves and that the constitution and the 'law' is just way too difficult and complex for the common person to understand, so courts, lawyers, and judges are absolutely necessary to tell us what they all mean. Until there comes an issue that they've been led to believe they must support, like abortion or guns, then they come off like con law experts and that those judges don't know shit.

How’s that trip to the courthouse coming, Festus?

[domer76]

Where did the first amendment come from? Who gave you the first amendment right?

You don’t know how the BofR originated? Kinda pathetic.

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You don’t know how the BofR originated? Kinda pathetic.

What person gave you the right to speak? And who can take it away?

[Micawber]

It’s referred to as the First Amendment. Certainly, your Creator has nothing to do with it.

They are idiots. The behaviors and things codified as rights existed apart from independent of and before the US Constitution like speech! Eureka. So did everything. But the rights enumerated and those necessary and proper etc etc in the Constitution
are those we've agreed to live by here, in some cases loving them and in others hating them. "It existed before the Constitution therefore God created it!" Therefore we have a right to sodomy and rape and murder too! Thanks Jesus!

[Abatis]

“All is retained that is not surrendered.”

No shit, huh?

The "question" is in your court, you're the one arguing against the principle.

I know where I stand

I mentioned nothing about LGBTQ rights or abortion, which were secured under the exercise of completely different rights. But you knew that, didn’t you?

I know now that you don't have a clue about how LGBTQ rights or abortion came to be recognized and secured.

[Micawber]

“All is retained that is not surrendered.”

No shit, huh?

I wonder where that douchnozzle Abate thinks his mental masterbation is taking him, or has he forgotten his purpose as it appears?

[Micawber]

Personally I think he is just attempting to establish worth by breaking out his favorite Rush Limbaugh pimped Regnery Press bastardized Con Law book for Nazis
and quoting random passages.

[Abatis]

I wonder where that douchnozzle Abate thinks his mental masterbation is taking him, or has he forgotten his purpose as it appears?

I know what my positions are.

It seems as though the misdirections and evasions of your political brethren has seriously confused you.

Personally I think he is just attempting to establish worth by breaking out his favorite Rush Limbaugh pimped Regnery Press bastardized Con Law book for Nazis and quoting random passages.

You are quite welcome to quote specific statements and prove me wrong.

Without even a quote your empty condemnations appear to be just the musings of an abusive know-nothing (just like a typical leftist).

Your whirling dervish act, while amusing is a poor proxy for actual debate (which you were complaining doesn't exist).

Now you will call me a couple more names, make a couple more snide comments and declare victory and abandon this thread.

[Micawber]

My understanding is there are about 4 or five attorneys who post here, so....
posting a bit of con law 101 refresher bullshit isn't going to get you anything by way of cred.

[Sailor]

My understanding is there are about 4 or five attorneys who post here, so....
posting a bit of con law 101 refresher bullshit isn't going to get you anything by way of cred.

And we all know that does not include you.

[domer76]

What person gave you the right to speak? And who can take it away?

You don’t know how the BofR came about? Pathetic.

[domer76]

The "question" is in your court, you're the one arguing against the principle.

I know where I stand



I know now that you don't have a clue about how LGBTQ rights or abortion came to be recognized and secured.

I know where I stand, too. The concept of “inalienable” or “inherent” rights is bullshit. It has no value except as a philosophical argument. Try to invoke that concept in court, pally boy, when you believe your heretofore unidentified “inherent” right has been violated. See how far that gets you.

Yeah, I do know the constitutional basis of both abortion and the LGBTQ issues. They were based on two separate amendments. But you knew that, didn’t you?