Shocking, another mass murder, they've become as American as apple pie

[evince]

Tell us about this rampant problem of terrorists having guns? Funny that you claim to worry about that but don’t care if they come here.

Nothing will happen on guns. Democrats are skeered to run on the issue. Heller is settled. You lose. We win. Move on

NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUN DICKHEAD


74% of Americans stand behind gun rights for citizens


STOP FUCKING LYING ABOUT IT


gun restrictions are perfectly legal idiot.


can a child buy a gun?

NO

that is a gun restriction fuck lump

[evince]

why dont you gun BUTTSFORBRAINS run on allowing children to buy guns


see how that one works out for you

gun restrictions are perfectly constitutional

[Nomad]

Try me. You don’t have the balls

I have no need to do anything because you and your ilk don’t have the balls to move on guns. Even your boy Chucky Schumer told democrats to pipe down about guns.

You have to make the first move. But, as I said, you will not. I have nothing to fear with regards to losing my guns.

But you will continue to whine. On to the next mass murder and nothing will happen. I laugh at you

Typical big mouthed pussy hiding behind the internet and a bunch of empty bluster about his big, bad guns.

It's likely I won't have to "do anything" about you anyway, because some home invader will likely do society a favor by ridding it of you at some point.

You'll come home from a pro-Trump Klan rally some day, completely unsuspecting that anything is amiss, only to find one or more intruders have broken into your home and gotten ahold of one or more your guns. After overpowering you and pistol whipping you with your own handgun to force you into telling them where the rest of your guns, money and valuables are, and before they leave, as you're lying trussed up and gagged on the floor, one of them will use one of your precious guns to pump a couple of your own bullets into the back of your head and you will no longer be part of America's problem.

So have fun running your big, fat mouth while you can.

[Abatis]

The OP.

Oh, OK. 200+ posts in you might want to use the quote function LOL.

I do have some ideas though . . . I Believe that if these points became reality, criminal gun homicide would fall 50% in two years . . .

1) Decriminalize the recreational use of drugs and redirect the LE resources to enforcing with vigor laws covering illegal carry and the violent misuse of firearms.

2) Do not allow weapons offenses to be used as bargaining chips to be thrown out for guilty pleas for other charges.

3) Do not allow the reducing of felony gun charges to misdemeanors.

4) Mandate full time sentenced to be served for any violent misuse of a firearm.

5) Enhanced sentences for repeat offenders / felon in possession with reduced appeal opportunities.

6) Mandate states maintain the most up-to-date database of prohibited persons possible (including a red flag for mental issues - HIPPA be damned). and this be shared with the federal system and all other states.

7) Increase funding for parole/probation programs for enforcement of conditions of release and tightening of controls on those under conditional release and oversight of the boards responsible for early release.

8) Increase funding for states / cities for Failure to Appear warrants and fugitive recovery with a priority on violent offenders.

9) Enact a nationwide concealed weapon permit system for law-abiding citizens that no state or municipality can opt out of.

[Abatis]

why dont you gun BUTTSFORBRAINS run on allowing children to buy guns


see how that one works out for you

gun restrictions are perfectly constitutional

How many concussions have you suffered?

[evince]

ARE CHILDERN ALLOWED TO BUY GUNS??????



no

that is a gun restriction idiot

[evince]

run on no resttriction like you say you want


run saying restricting guns is unconstitutional



run on a gun in every crib asshole


you shits lie non stop abut the constitution and guns.


IF the constitution dosnt allow gun restrictions then why cant children buy them?


when the constitution was written what was the AGE at which they decided you were old enough to buy a gun?


do you even know asshole?

[Abatis]

Yeah, your Rights came from some superior being that endowed them upon.

Well, the philosophical choice back at the founding was either that humans have inherent rights simply because they are capable of reason and that the only legitimate government is one that the people choose themselves and consent to be governed by -- OR -- that government should enjoy absolute power and the people have no voice in it and whatever "rights" a person has flow from the generosity of the ruler.

We made our choice and we went with Locke and Sidney and rejected Bodin and Filmer.

There ain't much chance a reversal will be coming soon, so you can just peddle your ignorance elsewhere . . .

Sure is a capricious and random being that skipped so many societies with those rights.

Is there another nation that is founded upon the principle that all power first resides within the people?

And that government is established by the people conferring limited powers they possess and assigning specific duties to the government?

And that everything not conferred to government is retained by the people, with those retained powers then known as inherent rights with some being so important they are deemed unalienable (incapable of being conferred to the care / control of others)?

So, unalienable rights is a meaningless concept if no government is being established to NOT surrender rights to.

So, yes, people have been skipped so by all means, continue with your gibberish, spouting off about things you do not understand.

Your rights, pally boy, as enumerated in the BofR, was originally nothing more than a political tool, fool.

That's not much of an argument against my position; I align more with the Federalists and their opposition to adding a bill of rights to the Constitution (not that you could comprehend those arguments against a bill of rights without saying something dumb like, "rights don't exist").

.

[Abatis]

ARE CHILDERN ALLOWED TO BUY GUNS??????



no

that is a gun restriction idiot

Are children allowed to vote?

By your infantile reasoning whatever regulations conservatives want on adults voting are legitimate.

Glad to hear you are for requiring proof of identity, citizenship and residency before adults can vote.

[evince]

it is a gun restriction that is NOT enumerated in the 2nd amendment lterally.

so your saying we can just assmume they meant "well not children"


"the right of a citizen to own arms shall not be infringed"


are children citizens?

[evince]

Are children allowed to vote?

By your infantile reasoning whatever regulations conservatives want on adults voting are legitimate.

Glad to hear you are for requiring proof of identity, citizenship and residency before adults can vote.

different amendment dude

[evince]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."



ooops I got it wrong


are children not people?

[evince]

the people means who?


where does it outline who theyn meant?


citizens?


all people?


or were they aiming at preventing taking away the guns from all the citizenry.


every sane person knows whatw they meant.


they did not want a leader to fully disarm the people


they say it in a nice way too.

they word it so all are reminded of what hapoens to a country if someone desimates that countries entire trained military.


the people can then take over the fight.


you want it to mean something else for some other stupid reason or because you have not studied enough of the real history

[Abatis]

it is a gun restriction that is NOT enumerated in the 2nd amendment lterally.

so your saying we can just assmume they meant "well not children"


"the right of a citizen to own arms shall not be infringed"


are children citizens?

Well, first off the right to arms is not granted, given, created or established by the 2nd Amendment so you should not be referring to the 2ndA to learn what the right to arms is and what or who it covers.

Second, there is no federal law about a child simply owning guns. Under federal law, citizens and legal residents under 18 can not buy a long gun and under 21 can not buy a handgun.

Third, the laws forbidding child ownership are state laws -- and only 20 states have such laws.

Fourthly, a child born in the US is a citizen but they are not afforded the full complement of many federal rights until adulthood.

[Abatis]

different amendment dude

So the one that is recognized in a part of what's called the "Bill of Rights" isn't a "real right"?