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    This deal is to kick the can past the midterms.

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    Slap in the face? Trump was pushing for this bill.
    Keep changing the names. It doesn't change the meaning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey View Post
    And after it passes the house and the senate, who has to sign it?

    And, of course, this just shows what many of us have said about the pubs for years. They are showboating on the Obama repeal issue. Never intended to do it.
    He'll probably sign it.

    The reality was a Federal Judge ruled the funding unconstitutional. The only way to make it constitutional is if the Congress voted for it. Now that they have, this populist Prez will likely sign that bill. If it passes both the House and the Senate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    Slap in the face? Trump was pushing for this bill.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    the American people dont agree with you


    how is it illegal?


    tell us what you know about the cumberland road and the post office?


    the founders didnt agree with you either grindy



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    no one said it was illegal. I am arguing morality. You take property from others under THREAT OF VIOLENCE. You force people to work UNDER THREAT OF VIOLENCE. that is sociopathic. Just because it's legal doesn't make it moral. Slavery was legal. Slavery was immoral. Taxation is legal, taxation is immoral.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zax View Post
    no one said it was illegal. I am arguing morality. You take property from others under THREAT OF VIOLENCE. You force people to work UNDER THREAT OF VIOLENCE. that is sociopathic. Just because it's legal doesn't make it moral. Slavery was legal. Slavery was immoral. Taxation is legal, taxation is immoral.
    I agree with everything but the last statement. Taxation in and of itself is not immoral. Not even the founders believed that. Taxing income directly like we do is immoral.

    But you are correct that Deshtard hides her tyranny behind the cloak of democracy. It is why the founders avoided setting this country up as a true democracy. They knew their history and that democracy is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority.

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    perhaps then Jarot was a bit premature by claiming subsidies were back.....it would appear it needs to pass both houses of Congress and get signed into law first........obviously that may take days yet......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Yes, and I know the Desperate Cheeto tried to kill healthcare in the Untied States by ending them. I know he is so weak, his own party is reversing his executive order before it takes affect. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Do you comprehend just why the politicians are saying "NA" to an executive order that would rescind subsides for Obama Care? ALL OF THE SUP[POSED DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMEN/LADIES USE TAX PAYER SUBSIDIES TO PAY FOR THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE....AS THEY GAMED THE SYSTEM AND REFUSED TO PAY THE PREMIUMS MANDATED FOR "ALL" AMERICAN CITIZENS through the subsidized exchanges. They FEAR TRUMP will end the scam that illegally sucks on the taxpayer tit. They are still claiming this special status and claim to be special and ABOVE THE LAWS THEY WRITE.

    They did not want to vote on their "special exemption" status and be open to being criticized or fired in the next election...so they ILLEGALLY claimed themselves to be employees in order have the tax payers pay for their premiums even though both houses of congress and their staffs do not met the LEGAL definition of being a qualified employee due to the numbers required to have an employer responsible for paying 70% of their health care coverage.

    If the subsidies are removed....there will be no funds to pay for their coverage that was illegally obtained (as they refused to vote themselves exempt.....it would make it clear they claim elite status in not having to purchase their own insurance under the rules for private insurance) so they had Obama declare them eligible for coverage under the SHOP EXCHANGE STATUS under the ACA, again in an illegal manner claiming they were considered SHOP EMPLOYEES or a Small Business working/contracting for THE PEOPLE/TAX PAYERS.

    FYI: The reason they refused the EO? They have attempted to exempt themselves for healthcare coverage and retain the same status that OBAMA bribed them with....

    Thus there is "propaganda" as you presented, then there are facts of the congressional record. www.obamacarefacts.com/congress-obamacare/

    Is it illegal for our congress critters to claim they are a SMALL BUSINESS and exempt to paying like the average individually mandated to pay for play? Indeed its illegal as hell.

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    LOGICAL CONCLUSION? It appears that Mr. Rand Paul is correct again....the entire plan should be shitcanned and the healthcare system given back to the private sector where it belongs with Big Brother being banned from making corporate monopolies in order to get corporate LOBBY kickbacks. The reason that our healthcare system is broken and out of control? Washington allows the lobbyists to write the laws that relate to their industry regulation....just as Fancy Nancy explained in her own ding bat way, "First you must pass the act, then we can learn what's in it......." Can anyone explain just who drafted the AHC regulations? Anyone? Name the Congressmen/women who actually drafted the language themselves as they are mandated by the Constitution to be the only body that can draft acts to be considered for law? Anyone? We now know, as its public knowledge that a convicted felon drafted the majority of the boondoggle know as Obama Care.....a former convict by the name of Robert Creamer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    I find it absolutely astounding how selfish some people can be with regards to health care.

    That someone can be so greedy they can't be find room in their heart to contribute a few pennies to help those on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder afford healthcare is just disgraceful.
    gosh, $7B is just a few pennies......and that doesn't even consider the increased premiums we had to pay.....Obamacare cost me personally over $600 a month in premiums, not counting my share of the taxes to cover the cost of subsidizing premiums of people earning up to 4 times the "poverty level" PLUS subsidies to insurance companies........fuck your "few pennies".......

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I see someone is still caught up in the myth of the "welfare Cadillac queen," some are just so worried about what others maybe getting rather than what they themselves already have

    But to add a little reality to the topic, when the coverage disappears, who do you think bombards the ERs and not only raises medical costs for everyone but also eventually insurance rates, and the shame is that it is often over what would have been a preventable illness with regular care
    I don't care what others are getting as long as they are paying for it. When they start demanding someone else do for them what they've shown they aren't willing to do for themselves, it's a problem. I prefer to solve it. You prefer to enable them to be worthless pieces of shit.

    There's a simple way to solve what you say will happen. Don't treat them or send YOU the bill. That's a reality you bleeding hearts aren't willing to take on despite claiming you care so much for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I do not believe your premise, I do not think anyone should go without healthcare. I have worked with a lot of clients who get injured, then cant work and get fired... then they lose their healthcare and what do you expect them to do?
    You're more than welcome to be wrong as long as you pay their bills and stop expecting the rest of us to provide to them what they refuse to provide to themselves.

    If you don't think anyone should go without anything, reach into your own pocket and provide it to them. Until you and the rest of the bleeding hearts do that, your word that you care are meaningless drivel. I don't believe you really care. The only thing you've proven is you're willing to SAY you care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    If you mean Trumpcare, he's agreeing to the bipartisan proposal being worked on now where the subsides are returned, you know, the same subsides that last week he told was free money for the Insurance Companies

    And if you are referring to health care as "stealing their (your) shit," keep in mind without health care the same people you are so worried about would flood the ERs raising the overall cost of health care in America which everyone else would have to pay to cover, it is cheaper with health insurance, those preventable illness can keep people out of the hospital
    first of all, the issue at hand was the fact the president didn't have the authority to order the subsidies......the courts had already told Obama that but he ignored them......Trump dumped it in Congress' lap where it belonged......if they do come to an agreement it will be 1) what they were supposed to do, 2) what Trump told them to do and 3) the first thing they've agreed on since November.......and they still need to come up with something Trump will sign.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Refuse or are unable.
    Don't buy the unable as long as I see those saying they can't being able to buy things with the money they should be using on needs instead of wants.

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    Anyone trying to defend Obamacare is basically ignorant on the facts.
    It became your partisan weapon when all your other ones ran out of bullets.

    The best thing that could happen to Obamacare is for someone to kill it quickly, before it crashes and burns the slow death it was designed to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    IN a HUGE slap in the face, Republicans in Congress made a deal with Democrats to refinance the subsidies the Desperate Cheetos took away last week.


    Executive order IN YOUR FASE!

    How does Rump like McConnell now?


    BAM!!!!!
    From what I read Trump is on board with the temporary subsidies.

    It also remedied more Obama era lawlessness by making the subsidies constitutional so you should be cheering that lol.
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