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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Ken Starr was tasked to investigate Whitewater where there was already witness testimony there was a crime committed.
    It was an investigation of an alleged crime . Hale was a convicted felon, but his charges were taken to investigate.

    Yes i'm familiar with how Muellar was authorized, but the authorization made no allegations of a crime already committed. It's an investigation in search of a crime. the similarity is the drifting into "umpteen topics"
    Yes or no, was there proof that a crime had been committed when Starr began his investigation? "Witness testimony" isn't proof of a crime committed

    And if you want to stretch your argument, the same logic could be applied using proof provided by the intelligence agencies that the Russian had interfered in the American political process, substitute "witness testimony" for agencies agencies and the inane logic is back to square one

    If you can't admit that the years of the Starr investigation was a "investigation in search of a crime" then explain how one goes from the Whitewater investigation to Vince Foster to White House personnel getting fired to abuse of confidential FBI files to Madison Guaranty to the Rose Law Firm to Paula Jones and ultimately Monica Lewinsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    This investigation was started by the President's own Justice Department, and Ken Star's investigation didn't begin with a crime either rather the investigation into if a crime had been committed,
    So you don't know the difference? What crime is Trump being investigated for?

    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    and it also drifted to cover umpteen topics unrelated to its intial purpose
    Wrong; it evolved when more criminal acts were committed by BillyBob Clinton. Fascinating that you defenders of women rights in the workplace think it is fine for a married man of great power to have sex with interns and then lie under oath about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    The Mueller investigation isn't establishing any precedents
    It absolutely is; it is an investigation with ZERO guidelines, no criminal charges or intent to commit crimes and is merely a massive fishing expedition based on innuendo and hyperbole. Liberals are too stupid to comprehend the precedents being set here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    How long did the WhiteWater investigation last?
    Do tell? Are these investigations based on any criminal activity by the President? If so, what are those crimes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The Watergate investigation was very public with numerous pronouncements and leaks from the prosecutors. Why nothing from Mueller? What is he hiding?
    Well, back in May, Mueller subpoenaed the Podesta brother's lobbying firm. The records he got would have detailed Manafort's activities in the Ukrainian election - which Hillary's State Department was very interested in.



    Mercury had worked on the Ukraine lobbying project with the Podesta group, led by Anthony Podesta, brother of John Podesta, who led Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-subpoenas-lobbying-firms-russia-investigation-20170825-story.html


    The Podesta Group was lobbying for the same thing they are trying to nail Manafort for. And was also not registered as a foreign agent.

    At the time, Ukraine was run by a pro-Russian political party that had paid Manafort $17 million for consulting in 2013 and 2014, according to Manafort's latest foreign lobbying disclosure filing, which he filed belatedly under Justice Department pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTAllthere View Post
    Ignoring all of that, it boggles the mind that trump apologists dismiss the fact that Russia acted to destroy the foundation of our democracy, and they defend Putin.
    Once again we have a lying liberal leftist propagating outright bullshit.

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    I expect it from most here. Believe it or not, anatta/noise was fairly lucid at one point in his life.
    We can expect you to erupt with buffoonish bullshit being the lying leftist that you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    Yes or no, was there proof that a crime had been committed when Starr began his investigation? "Witness testimony" isn't proof of a crime committed

    And if you want to stretch your argument, the same logic could be applied using proof provided by the intelligence agencies that the Russian had interfered in the American political process, substitute "witness testimony" for agencies agencies and the inane logic is back to square one

    If you can't admit that the years of the Starr investigation was a "investigation in search of a crime" then explain how one goes from the Whitewater investigation to Vince Foster to White House personnel getting fired to abuse of confidential FBI files to Madison Guaranty to the Rose Law Firm to Paula Jones and ultimately Monica Lewinsky
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    How many times, under how many different ID's do you ask the same questions, cum sucker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by God bless America View Post
    Well, back in May, Mueller subpoenaed the Podesta brother's lobbying firm. The records he got would have detailed Manafort's activities in the Ukrainian election - which Hillary's State Department was very interested in.

    Mercury had worked on the Ukraine lobbying project with the Podesta group, led by Anthony Podesta, brother of John Podesta, who led Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-subpoenas-lobbying-firms-russia-investigation-20170825-story.html
    Is Manafort under investigation? What crime did he commit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafool View Post
    How many times, under how many different ID's do you ask the same questions, cum sucker?
    TRIGGERED, UNHINGED and a LIAR
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Is Manafort under investigation? What crime did he commit?
    Yes, he is under investigation.

    Evidence of a crime is not specified in the report I cited.

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller issued grand jury subpoenas seeking testimony from public relations executives who worked on an international campaign organized by Paul Manafort.

    This is the first public indication that Mueller's investigation is beginning to compel witness testimony before the grand jury — a significant milestone in an inquiry that is examining the conduct of President Donald Trump and his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, among others.

    It is also further indication that Manafort, Trump's onetime campaign chairman, could be in serious legal jeopardy.

    The inquiry into the lobbying campaign appears to be part of a larger investigation into his work for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party, his offshore banking transactions, his tax compliance and his real estate dealings, people familiar with the probe have told NBC.

    According to one executive whose firm received a subpoena, Mueller's team is closely examining the lobbying campaign, which ran between 2012 and 2014. Some of the firms involved in the campaign received subpoenas for documents weeks ago, the executive said, and now the Mueller team is seeking testimony.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-seeks-grand-jury-testimony-pr-execs-who-worked-manafort-n796066


    Note that we have since heard nothing since late August - and "Mueller's team is closely examining the lobbying campaign, which ran between 2012 and 2014"

    Now, who was in the White House between 2012 and 2014? Who was Secretary of State between 2012 and 2013?

    Maybe Mueller's team didn't like what they found out, since it would not have incriminated Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    TRIGGERED, UNHINGED and a LIAR
    She recently asked this question:

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    They are all public events, so why is the anthem only played at professional sporting venues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Ken Starr was tasked to investigate Whitewater where there was already witness testimony there was a crime committed.
    Didn't some of the witnesses in that investigation meet untimely ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by God bless America View Post
    Yes, he is under investigation.

    Evidence of a crime is not specified in the report I cited.
    Isn't it amazing that one can now be investigated without any crime being charged or committed? Has the Party of the Jackass turned us into a police state now?
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    liberals need it to go on forever as it's the only sliver of hope they have. I can't imagine the mental break they are going to have when it's a big nothing burger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zax View Post
    liberals need it to go on forever as it's the only sliver of hope they have. I can't imagine the mental break they are going to have when it's a big nothing burger.

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    You're assuming they will accept reality.

    They won't.

    They still think Hillary won and Trump cheated.

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