congratulations to our friends in austria :)

[Amadeus]

People think that America is a capitalist society, but it's actually a socialist-capitalist hybrid (like most Western democracies). A purely capitalist society would be a living hell-hole, and so would a purely socialist society. Capitalist-minded people say that government and regulations are evil (so they've convinced the plebs that less government protection and regulation somehow benefits them). In reality, they want government protections to fall so they can milk you for profit, while raping the environment that you depend on to survive.

[Minister of Truth]

The American government is a socialist institution by definition.

The term didn't even exist when the American government was set-up.

[Amadeus]

The term didn't even exist when the American government was set-up.

It didn't need to exist for it to fit the definition. The American military, for example, is 100% socialist. The degree of socialism can be determined by the degree of government involvement.

[Minister of Truth]

It didn't need to exist for it to fit the definition. The American military, for example, is 100% socialist. The degree of socialism can be determined by the degree of government involvement.

Is Congress 100% socialist? How about the Supreme Court?

[Amadeus]

Is Congress 100% socialist? How about the Supreme Court?

Are you asking me because you can't determine this for yourself?

[Minister of Truth]

Are you asking me because you can't determine this for yourself?

Your rule appears to be that Constitutional appendages of the government are socialist.

[Amadeus]

Your rule appears to be that Constitutional appendages of the government are socialist.

How the government determines the law or the appropriation of funds is not really relevant. In a pure monarchy, the king/ruling class determines both -- but whatever the government controls are essentially socialist, by definition. A capitalist (purely libertarian) society would crumble within years, and in my opinion probably couldn't form to begin with. Libertarians latch onto an existing society and then says, 'Why do you need government? Lets defund the government and deregulate everything!'

While pure socialism is essentially communism, pure capitalism doesn't even get that far in success or functionality.

[Darth Omar]

The fascism in American comes from the neo-fascists -- and exclusively right-wing ideology -- not the left. Trump and his cohorts are bringing the ugly.

You're projecting.

The ugliness is on the left. You're crazies REALLY think Trump supporters are Nazis. And what does one do with Nazis? Your first guess doesn't count. It's gone down the Memory Hole, but we've already had a mass assassination attempt on congressional republicans by a far lefty.

[Cancel 2020.1]

You're projecting.

The ugliness is on the left. You're crazies REALLY think Trump supporters are Nazis. And what does one do with Nazis? Your first guess doesn't count. It's gone down the Memory Hole, but we've already had a mass assassination attempt on congressional republicans by a far lefty.

Stop with this nonsense.

Here's the deal - when you have to single out one fringe extremist and try to extend that to an entire group of millions, you have instantly lost the argument.

And the ugliness is not all on the left. Antifa is all you have there. I have Trump's entire campaign and the way he governs, and the way his minions fawn over all of it - hate, division, pitting groups against one another, fear-mongering.

You live in a bubble of extreme denial on that. Extreme.

[Jarod]

Any intelligent observer knows there is no pure Capitalism or Socialism or even Communism. All nations, in practice fall among a continuum.

[Minister of Truth]

How the government determines the law or the appropriation of funds is not really relevant. In a pure monarchy, the king/ruling class determines both -- but whatever the government controls are essentially socialist, by definition. A capitalist (purely libertarian) society would crumble within years, and in my opinion probably couldn't form to begin with. Libertarians latch onto an existing society and then says, 'Why do you need government? Lets defund the government and deregulate everything!'

While pure socialism is essentially communism, pure capitalism doesn't even get that far in success or functionality.

Well, our government functioned quite capably with economic liberalism for a very long time, until about 1913. Anyway, you are mixing-up economic and political philosophy, which is usually only something I have to deal with coming from Iolo, given that the idiot is a Marxist.

[Darth Omar]

Stop with this nonsense.

Here's the deal - when you have to single out one fringe extremist and try to extend that to an entire group of millions, you have instantly lost the argument.

And the ugliness is not all on the left. Antifa is all you have there. I have Trump's entire campaign and the way he governs, and the way his minions fawn over all of it - hate, division, pitting groups against one another, fear-mongering.

You live in a bubble of extreme denial on that. Extreme.

This is an excellent rejoinder except that it's baloney.

Did I say there were millions of crazies? What I said was that there are people on the left who actually believe that Trump supporters are Nazis. And if the right had an Antifa you and your minions in the media would be harping on it, constantly.

But you've been reduced to chasing the ghosts of Klansmen. Pretty pathetic, actually.

[Amadeus]

Well, our government functioned quite capably with economic liberalism for a very long time, until about 1913. Anyway, you are mixing-up economic and political philosophy, which is usually only something I have to deal with coming from Iolo, given that the idiot is a Marxist.

No, I'm not mixing up anything. I'm making it as basic as humanly possible. Throwing in 'economic liberalism' into the mix is an unnecessary complication. Clearly, the American economy is better now -- by a zillion order of magnitude -- than it was in 1913.

[Minister of Truth]

No, I'm not mixing up anything. I'm making it as basic as humanly possible. Throwing in 'economic liberalism' into the mix is an unnecessary complication. Clearly, the American economy is better now -- by a zillion order of magnitude -- than it was in 1913.

Economic liberalism is closer to describing the politics of actually managing an economy. A tighter, more leftist approach, still describes a capitalist economy. You are pretending that capitalism only can exist in an anarchist, or nearly governmentally dissolved society.

[Rune]

You're none too bright yourself, can you explain how the Hama Massacre had anything to do with the West? Assad's dad managed to gain nearly three decades of peace by wiping out the extremists back then. I might also add that the West left Syria alone for the most part, indeed Obama just sat back and watched Daesh take over large swathes of the Levant and did nothing. You are so fucking ignorant and dishonest it is laughable.

https://www.theguardian.com/theguard...e-1982-archive

Dishonest about my feelings?
Go with that, moron.