Executive order on Obamacare

[floridafan]

I thought you were an ignoramus, I was correct.

[CFM]

I thought you were an ignoramus, I was correct.

Pucker up, NL and keep supporting the failed policies of your incompetent social experiment President.

[Stretch]

Healthcare is not a product. It's a service

It's a product.

[Althea]

It's a product.

Health insurance is a product. Healthcare is a service

[Stretch]

Health insurance is a product. Healthcare is a service

True enough. Then the only ones who offer "care of one's health" are medical practitioners.

[dukkha]

the do sell insurance as "products"

Federal Definitions for Health Insurance Products and Plans
https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/...s-plan-ppt.pdf

[PostmodernProphet]

Health insurance is a product. Healthcare is a service

are your meds a service?.....

[Celticguy]

Product. Whether a service or a thing it costs money. Doesn't happen by magic.

[Althea]

True enough. Then the only ones who offer "care of one's health" are medical practitioners.

Yes....and Big Pharma, which is profit driven. Big Ins, which is profit driven is the way healthcare is paid for today, because Dr visits don't cost $25 anymore.
You weren't bothered in the least when that Shkreli jacked up the price of epi pens?

[Stretch]

You weren't bothered in the least when that Shkreli jacked up the price of epi pens?

Bothered? No. Ouraged? Yes.

[Althea]

Bothered? No. Ouraged? Yes.

But you agree that the system allows for such things, and there's no better system in the world? Or that company that stopped manufacturing a chemo drug because the patent expired, and it wasn't 'worth' it anymore?

You really think we cannot do better than a profit driven system?

[Darth Omar]

Health insurance is a product. Healthcare is a service

Meaningless distinction since many products are delivered during the service of healthcare.

One way to drive costs down would be forcing hospitals and practitioners to advertise the costs of their service. That would allow consumers to shop according to price like they do, literally, for every other service/product.

There are at least two ways I know of to laparoscopically remove an appendix. One is with an expensive stapler that cuts and seals the tissue all in one step. It works wonderfully but it's frightfully expensive. The other method is relatively low-tech but produces the same result. The patient would have absolutely no clue which method was used.

Surgeons and other practitioners should be required to have 'an average cost per procedure' posted somewhere so patients would be better informed at how much their insurance is going to be billed. It would encourage practitioners to employ more cost effective measures in treating people. Does patient X really need such and such test or is the doctor practicing defensive medicine in ordering it?

A big part of the problem is the cost of healthcare delivery has gotten totally out of hand. Yet, no one ever talks about a cost approach to the problem.

[dukkha]

Meaningless distinction since many products are delivered during the service of healthcare.

One way to drive costs down would be forcing hospitals and practitioners to advertise the costs of their service. That would allow consumers to shop according to price like they do, literally, for every other service/product.

There are at least two ways I know of to laparoscopically remove an appendix. One is with an expensive stapler that cuts and seals the tissue all in one step. It works wonderfully but it's frightfully expensive. The other method is relatively low-tech but produces the same result. The patient would have absolutely no clue which method was used.

Surgeons and other practitioners should be required to have 'an average cost per procedure' posted somewhere so patients would be better informed at how much their insurance is going to be billed. It would encourage practitioners to employ more cost effective measures in treating people. Does patient X really need such and such test or is the doctor practicing defensive medicine in ordering it?

A big part of the problem is the cost of healthcare delivery has gotten totally out of hand. Yet, no one ever talks about a cost approach to the problem.

i remember back when attorneys couldn't advertise. there was talk that advertising would bring down the quality of legal services.
Of course that was bogus. I see no reason not to advertise medical costs

[Getin the ring]

Goodbye Obamacare, die quickly, or die slowly

[Darth Omar]

i remember back when attorneys couldn't advertise. there was talk that advertising would bring down the quality of legal services.
Of course that was bogus. I see no reason not to advertise medical costs

Because there is no good reason not to lol.

I think it could be a game changer but the issue has been confined to health insurance. You can't blame health insurance for the cost of their product when the cost of their product is tied directly to the cost of healthcare. Bring the cost of healthcare down, and the cost of health insurance will follow.

Especially, if they would force health insurers to compete across state lines.