Dale Earnhardt Jr. defies NASCAR owners to show solidarity with NFL protesters

***Phantasmal*** · 09-25-2017, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Lovebug

Yes of course. Get a permit, paint some signs and find a public square. Football is a family of team sports that involve, to varying degrees, kicking or throwing a ball to score a goal.

So, protests should just be limited by a government process? Spontaneous protest in a safe environment should not be allowed? Just protest by permit is the only kind of which you approve?

**Bill** · 09-25-2017, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Right

You mean that I'm not seeing it in the context that you desire.

Perhaps these overpaid fools should get together and hire a PR firm, who would undoubtedly tell them to find a more appropriate venue where their "message" wouldn't be so easily misconstrued.

Why are they over paid?? Pls be specific..

**blackascoal** · 09-25-2017, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Lovebug

Watching a protest vs watching paint dry? Mmmm...?

Don't watch it. Simple.

**Bill** · 09-25-2017, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Getin the ring

so tell us BILL, now you are a Dale Jr. fan and cite his tweet to make your case.

And if I'd have asked you yesterday what you thought of Dale Jr's opinion? let me guess?

Fact is you need to stand for something consistent, not sure you have it in you, but just a suggestion.

I don't know him nor the players on the field but as a real American I support their rights........UNLIKE SOME aka you..

**Cancel 2020.1** · 09-25-2017, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Right

It's funny that you pretend to know my motivation. Since I'm not an NFL fan I don't care what these assholes do, say, or think. But what you, and they, seems to forget, is that they are selling an expensive, time-consuming product that no one needs. And they are doing a very bad job of it to date.

Well, that's a question of quality. Up until yesterday, the play on the field was pretty poor, and the games were boring.

If people choose to boycott the NFL because of this, I just feel sad for them. Obviously, it's their right, but I wish they could embrace the opposing point of view and offer opinions of their own, instead of just trying to shut it down.

America doesn't benefit when we are some sort of conformist nation. I hate so many opinions on the right, but I would never want to just shut them down. I want everyone talking & expressing themselves to the fullest.

**blackascoal** · 09-25-2017, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Bill

Why are they over paid?? Pls be specific..

Because they're black is his truth.

**Celticguy** · 09-25-2017, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Thing1

Anyone who sees it as "disrespect for the military" is just seeing a headline or hearing talk radio. They are woefully misinformed or uninformed.

That is the crux of why this protest is as misguided as it is.
If you're mad at cops how does this make that point?

***Phantasmal*** · 09-25-2017, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Lovebug

Watching a protest vs watching paint dry? Mmmm...?

I love watching a good peaceful protest, it is one of the greatest privileges of living in this country, being able to voice your opinions without reprocussions.

**MAGA MAN** · 09-25-2017, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Bill

Why are they over paid?? Pls be specific..

...in my opinion. Therefore I do not use the product that that are selling.

Also, college athletes do the same thing for a lot less, so there's that.

**Bill** · 09-25-2017, 10:02 AM

Sad, trump is so divisive(intentionally) he is even ruining American sports.

& all the lemmings cheered

**Celticguy** · 09-25-2017, 10:03 AM

Jr is no legend by the way. His dad was and his grandfather to a lesser degree.

**Cancel 2020.1** · 09-25-2017, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Celticguy

That is the crux of why this protest is as misguided as it is.
If you're mad at cops how does this make that point?

I think Kaep just wanted to get people talking. And he certainly did that.

He was very clear that it had nothing to do w/ the military. He saw areas where America was falling short, and wanted to express that by kneeling during the country's anthem. I swear, I'm still befuddled by the reaction. That kind of expression is what we're about.

**canceled.2021.2** · 09-25-2017, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Covfefe

I love watching a good peaceful protest, it is one of the greatest privileges of living in this country, being able to voice your opinions without reprocussions.

Unless members of the KKK want to peacefully protest then you get wet thinking about them getting shut down don't ya Toxic Titties?

**MAGA MAN** · 09-25-2017, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Thing1

Well, that's a question of quality. Up until yesterday, the play on the field was pretty poor, and the games were boring.

If people choose to boycott the NFL because of this, I just feel sad for them. Obviously, it's their right, but I wish they could embrace the opposing point of view and offer opinions of their own, instead of just trying to shut it down.

America doesn't benefit when we are some sort of conformist nation. I hate so many opinions on the right, but I would never want to just shut them down. I want everyone talking & expressing themselves to the fullest.

I'm not advocating shutting down their opinions, just that they are choosing the wrong venue for expressing it.

If the players were so concerned about police brutality, then, again, they should hire a PR firm who would guide them in a much different direction. Heck, I can come up with a better way just off the cuff.

Imagine a series of commercials with the individual black players, in street clothes, as a regular dude, in the 'hood, getting harrassed by cops. Hidden camera work like Breitbart used to do.

Wouldn't that be a win-win-win? The player's reputation would be raised, the cops would be chastised, the league would benefit...

**canceled.2021.2** · 09-25-2017, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Thing1

I think Kaep just wanted to get people talking. And he certainly did that.

He was very clear that it had nothing to do w/ the military. He saw areas where America was falling short, and wanted to express that by kneeling during the country's anthem. I swear, I'm still befuddled by the reaction. That kind of expression is what we're about.

Bullshit. Kaepernick was played by his muslime girlfriend

Again, what has he done outside of taking a knee during a game?

How many other jobs are you allowed to bring your politics to work? Are you? Does your boss allow you to protest anything you want at work without repercussions?

I guarantee if it were someone like Tebow taking a knew over abortion, you would be shitting your pants. You just love the cause so you ignore the broader context. Nobody is saying athletes don't have the right to protest. Just that during and before a game where people to to escape the daily grind is not the place. You are assuming that everyone wants to see that bullshit. They do not.

BTW. Here are the NFL Rules on the National Anthem. Doesn't appear they are following them are they?

The NFL rules on the National Anthem can be found on pages A62-63 of the NFLs game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.