War on Terror fail: 5 X as many terrorists now

[Ralph]

Yes, the second half of the war is also a failure, that is the topic.

A failed war. which badly needs to end.

The only moderate Muslim is one that has run out of ammunition.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Extremists have ALWAYS warped religious & other beliefs for their own agenda. It's why I'm anti-religion in general. But as I stated previously on this thread, Islam isn't going anywhere, and we're treading water by focusing on the religion itself, or the "radical ideology" that was spawned from it.

As long as politicians want to make it a war between the west & Islam, it plays into the hands of extremists, and things will not get better.

Feralphilia


Such sympathy for Third World evolutionary failures is what emboldened the savages to take advantage of our weakness.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'm not being snarky at all, but can you flesh out that 1st part a bit? I have never understood what calling it "radical Islam" will effectively do. I'm not opposed to it, but there is an intense focus on that, and I just don't get it. And it really has to be more than "we have to honestly talk about the issue."

I see more negative - I think it plays into the hands of extremists, who want this to be east vs. west, Christianity against Islam. Qualifying it as 'radical' doesn't matter much for their purposes, imo.

Neanderthal v Homo Sapiens, Part Two

Both sides in this puppets' debate are misled by ignorant and pushy preachers. Like many tough-sounding phrases, using "radical Islam" is actually appeasement. All Islam must go the way of the other thrill-killing human-sacrifice religions. It is not too big to fail. And neither are we.

[anatta]

Proving for the umpteenth time that anatta/noise is full of shit/a piece of shit, the on Terror has been the best recruiting tool ever for extremists.
Furthermore the death levels of this last vestige of American imperialism are nearing genocide just as I predicted years ago.
So all you warmonger muthafuckas can go fuck yerselves.
nanatta/noise; stifle yourself

You gotta love the vapidity of this OP..
No links to show the claim,no reasoning. nothing really except Rune's assertion

the [war]on Terror has been the best recruiting tool ever for extremists.

the first thing I would do is look at ISIS - who have to number a great many of these "5X" unsupported Rune's
claim

That the Iraq war blew the lid off containment of Salafi-jihadi that regimes like Saddam and Qadaffi contained is obvious.
Which eventually led to the Arab Spring in Syria/Tunisia .

But it fails to consider the Egyptian el-Sisi coupe' of Morsi, or even going as far back as the mujahideen of Reagan
or events inflicted by the Muslim Brotherhood going back the the Anwar Sadat assassination.
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Rune uses no historical referencing - just hysteria about "American Imperialism"

[dukkha]

The root cause has two words: radical Islam.

That's like saying communism or Nazism has a 'root cause'. Fundamentally, it's an ideological struggle. Not saying words 'radical Islam', as a matter of policy, is beyond goofy.

they are religion driven fanatics.
al-Qaida is literally "the base". It considers itself the root of Islam. All other practices are heretical. (takfir)

[dukkha]

While I think those conditions certainly make it easier for them to recruit, that is not the root cause of terrorism. The root cause is the radical ideology that a very small portion of 'Islamic' people follow. The ideology that states that all those that do not follow said ideology are the enemy and must be destroyed or brought to compliance.

exactly. poverty, lack of opportunity also caused the Arab Spring
These factor contribute to recruiting, but the terrorist mindset is religion driven .

Allāhu akbar

[Darth Omar]

exactly. poverty, lack of opportunity also caused the Arab Spring
These factor contribute to recruiting, but the terrorist mindset is religion driven .

Allāhu akbar

Poverty exacerbates it, but radical Islam doesn't need poverty.

Look at all the white Europeans that have gone to fight for ISIS.

[anatta]

Poverty is exacerbates it, but radical Islam doesn't need poverty.

Look at all the white Europeans that have gone to fight for ISIS.

absolutely correct.
Listless young men who perceive no future are susceptible to recruiting, but Islamic terrorism exists by itself

[Rune]

You gotta love the vapidity of this OP..
No links to show the claim,no reasoning. nothing really except Rune's assertion



the first thing I would do is look at ISIS - who have to number a great many of these "5X" unsupported Rune's
claim

That the Iraq war blew the lid off containment of Salafi-jihadi that regimes like Saddam and Qadaffi contained is obvious.
Which eventually led to the Arab Spring in Syria/Tunisia .

But it fails to consider the Egyptian el-Sisi coupe' of Morsi, or even going as far back as the mujahideen of Reagan
or events inflicted by the Muslim Brotherhood going back the the Anwar Sadat assassination.
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Rune uses no historical referencing - just hysteria about "American Imperialism"

Word salad; meaningless.

The fact on the ground is that the Neo-Con war on Terror is the best recruitment tool ever handed to terrorists.

Note that nothing Salad Master says disputes this fact.

[Rune]

The only moderate Muslim is one that has run out of ammunition.

There are more Muslims than any other religious group.

If what you claim had a shred of truth the entire world would be littered with bodies, retard.

[anatta]

Word salad; meaningless.

The fact on the ground is that the Neo-Con war on Terror is the best recruitment tool ever handed to terrorists.

Note that nothing Salad Master says disputes this fact.

you can't defend your OP against my rebuttal so you dismiss it as word salad. In fact your brain is a salad bar.

You lack historical perspective, you only use reactionary thought like GWOT causes terrorism.
You fail to see the religious basis of salafi jihad.

[Cancel 2020.1]

you can't defend your OP against my rebuttal so you dismiss it as word salad. In fact your brain is a salad bar.

You lack historical perspective, you only use reactionary thought like GWOT causes terrorism.
You fail to see the religious basis of salafi jihad.

When have you ever been right?

[Rune]

You don't have a clue what I see or fail to see, you drank the Neo-Con Long War koolaid.

Again, for the most ignorant amongst us;
The Long War is a total fail.

Prove otherwise or shut the fuck up.

This abysmal Imperial Conquest has gone on way too long.

[anatta]

You don't have a clue what I see or fail to see, you drank the Neo-Con Long War koolaid.

Again, for the most ignorant amongst us;
The Long War is a total fail.

Prove otherwise or shut the fuck up.

This abysmal Imperial Conquest has gone on way too long.

I don't give a shit what you feel, i care less what you think. I respond only to your blabbering OP.

You make an assertion that Long War is a total fail - yet will not look at what happened in Yemen regardless of long war.
You would leave Waziristan /AfPak to fester and create conditions for another 9-11.

But mostly you fail to see the west didn't want this war.
it was imposed on us by salafi jihad who look at Armageddon as a good thing- to be facilitated

[Rune]

I don't give a shit what you feel, i care less what you think. I respond only to your blabbering OP.

You make an assertion that Long War is a total fail - yet will not look at what happened in Yemen regardless of long war.
You would leave Waziristan /AfPak to fester and create conditions for another 9-11.

But mostly you fail to see the west didn't want this war.
it was imposed on us by salafi jihad who look at Armageddon as a good thing- to be facilitated

Mostly you fail to see that the Neo-Con Triumvate Cheney, Rummy and Wolfawitz wanted a war, any war.

They didn't care where, they even considered South America.

NO ONE OR THING FORCED US INTO PROTRACTED WAR EXCEPT THE WILL OF THE LEADERS AT THAT TIME.

Babble on all you want, you prve nothing but that you drank the warmonger koolaid.