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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    slavery was why the war was started


    No slavery no civil war


    stop trying to rewrite history fool
    You only have to read Lincoln's first inaugural speech!!

    Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that–

    I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    slavery was why the war was started


    No slavery no civil war


    stop trying to rewrite history fool
    Quit fooling yourself and make it look like you're more of an idiot than you are.

    No Constitution, no Civil War.
    Someone broke a contract and still wanted the job done for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Slavery wasn't the primary cause of the civil war?
    The idea that the civil war was about slavery is preposterous since:

    1. There were four UNION states that were allowed to practice slavery throughout the war

    2. There were many UNION generals that were slaveowners during the war.



    The war was about tariffs and states rights and the right to secede just like the original 13 colonies had seceded from england just 80 years earlier. THINK
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    US Grant once said " If i thought this war was about freeing the slaves, i would resign immediately".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers View Post
    US Grant once said " If i thought this war was about freeing the slaves, i would resign immediately".
    Please supply proof this was a quote from Grant, thanks.

    As soon as slaveryfired uponthe flagit was felt, we all felt, even those who did not object to slaves, that slavery must be destroyed. We felt that it was a stain to the Union that men should be bought and sold like cattle.
    https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant


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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers View Post
    US Grant once said " If i thought this war was about freeing the slaves, i would resign immediately".
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/history...and-grant/amp/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
    Sanctions are an act of war, without any blood lost.
    Same reason, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. The USA was enforcing heavy sanctions on Japan.

    The federal government was selectively sanctioning the southern states, when only 5% of the people and 1% of greater families, own slaves. If only 5% of people owned slaves, then what the hell, were the other 95% fighting for?
    Does not make any sense, that it was over slavery, exclusively.
    You can always become the first southern apologist to read the secession documents to find out why. God knows Tom never will.

    Also, blockades are an act of war, not sanctions. Otherwise Douchebag Donald's talk of protectionism is a shot fired at China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corazón View Post
    Lincoln did a bang up job diverting attention from the real reasons. Of course Hollywood has played a significant part as well, which confirms my suspicions that many nowadays learn their history from films and TV.
    You should probably read South Carolina's Declaration of Seccession. I didn't see tariffs as the reason. They mention slavery at length.

    "A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the Common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that Slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/l...-of-secession/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Exactly. When you send troops to attack a foreign military post off your coastline, that is an act of war.
    Yes, an act so heinous that over 700,000 men died and a further million former slaves from starvation, pestilence​, cholera and smallpox. But, according to you, a small price to pay for firing on a fort where no one died from enemy fire!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    You should probably read South Carolina's Declaration of Seccession. I didn't see tariffs as the reason. They mention slavery at length.

    "A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the Common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that Slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/l...-of-secession/
    I have read them already, so thanks for the advice! We all know slavery was important to the South but that's because it was a mainly non-mechanised agrarian economy. Again I will point out that the North, and especially Lincoln, cared far far more about the punitive tariffs they levied on the South.

    The war was fought over money and power. In 1860, 80% of all federal taxes were paid by the South and 95% of that money was spent on improving the North. Don't you think that the South might a good reason for feeling aggrieved? Holy shit the Boston Tea Party happened for much the same reasons.

    Now run along and go prove me wrong!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corazón View Post
    I have read them already, so thanks for the advice! We all know slavery was important to the South but that's because it was a mainly non-mechanised agrarian economy. Again I will point out that the North, and especially Lincoln, cared far far more about the punitive tariffs they levied on the South.

    The war was fought over money and power. In 1860, 80% of all federal taxes were paid by the South and 95% of that money was spent on improving the North. Don't you think that the South might a good reason for feeling aggrieved? Holy shit the Boston Tea Party happened for much the same reasons.

    Now run along and go prove me wrong!!
    I just did. Find tariffs mentioned at the same degree in S. Carolina's Declaration.

    You RW asswipes are humorous in your grasps at straws.

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    Not according to the articles of secession of all the slave states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    I just did. Find tariffs mentioned at the same degree in S. Carolina's Declaration.

    You RW asswipes are humorous in your grasps at straws.
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    Morrill Tariff Cartoon, featured in*Harper's Weekly*on April 13, 1861 saying:THE NEW TARIFF ON DRY GOODS. Unhappy condition of the Optic Nerve of a Custom House Appraiser who has been counting the Threads in a Square Yard of Fabric to ascertain the duty thereon under the New MORRILL Tariff. The Spots and Webs are well-known Opthalmic Symptoms. It is confidently expected that the unfortunate man will go blind.

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    [QUOTE=Corazón;2007149].

    Morrill Tariff Cartoon, featured in Harper's Weekly on April 13, 1861 saying:THE NEW TARIFF ON DRY GOODS. Unhappy condition of the Optic Nerve of a Custom House Appraiser who has been counting the Threads in a Square Yard of Fabric






    Cartoon drawn during the nullification controversy showing the Northern domestic manufacturers getting fat at the expense of impoverishing the South under protective tariffs." -Encyclopedia Britannica
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