More Troops to Afghan

[domer76]

This isn't Iraq. We aren't invading Aghanistan. We aren't going to regime change there, or attempt to democratize it.

As pointed out previously, the only relevance Iraq has to this is we know the outcome if we leave prematurely.

The endpoint for withdrawal from Afghanistan is a military capable of defending the country and a stable, corruption free government. You can twist it anyway you want, but for us to complete that, it's called nation building.

[domer76]

I take it you believe Iraq and Afghanistan were better under Saddam and the Taliban?

WE were better with Iraq under Saddam.

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You're a broken record with the whole "lazy point and false question" thing. Nothing lazy or false about it, in fact it is so true and real you had to ask me the reverse question. You have zero self awareness.

I think the execution in Iraq was completely wrong. Bush et al, completely underestimated the Iraqis and canning their military, way beyond stupid. He created the insurgency, IMO.

Do you wish Saddam was still in power or the Taliban?

I asked it to illustrate the point, you hopeless partisan hack.

Iraq was wrong, period. The left knew it in 2003, and we were 100% right. I'm sick of hearing justifications for that war. People died & suffered needlessly.

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WE were better with Iraq under Saddam.

How so?

You obviously don't care about Iraqis.

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The endpoint for withdrawal from Afghanistan is a military capable of defending the country and a stable, corruption free government. You can twist it anyway you want, but for us to complete that, it's called nation building.

Indeed it is.

No way to spin that, either.

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I asked it to illustrate the point, you hopeless partisan hack.

Iraq was wrong, period. The left knew it in 2003, and we were 100% right. I'm sick of hearing justifications for that war. People died & suffered needlessly.

I didn't justify the war you lying sack. And you're lying that the left knew it was wrong.

You're are the most dishonest poster, next to Evince, on this board.

[dukkha]

Why does anyone trust what Trump said yesterday?

When has he been credible?

what's to "trust/distrust?"
He laid out mission conditions without a timeline with strategic plans to get the regional players to buy in,
or quit sabotaging

We've threatened Paki before and not done anything to stop providing safe haven /disruption ;
if anything Trump is much more likely to follow thru

[Darth Omar]

The endpoint for withdrawal from Afghanistan is a military capable of defending the country and a stable, corruption free government. You can twist it anyway you want, but for us to complete that, it's called nation building.

Our own government isn't corruption free, so you throw that standard out.

We don't care about that anyway. All we need is for the Afghans to be *reasonably* able to secure their country. We don't care if they practice Leninist communism. We aren't there to build bridges or help with infrastructure.

Because we aren't there to nation build.

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I didn't justify the war you lying sack. And you're lying that the left knew it was wrong.

You're are the most dishonest poster, next to Evince, on this board.

Oh, please. The bolded is hilarious. The left crowded the streets - when it looked like the war was "won" (after Saddam's statue fell), the left was on the "wrong side of history." We were traitors, and terrorist sympathizers. Talk radio ridiculed the mass demonstrations.

Now that everyone knows it was a mistake, there isn't enough credit to go around. "The left were a part of it, too!" Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, et al. are corporatist Dems. They are not the "left."

The left was right about the war. Deal w/ it.

[domer76]

How so?

You obviously don't care about Iraqis.

I care more about Americans, you fucking moron.

Several thousand more alive to be fathers and mothers and sons and daughters and siblings to their families. Multiple tens of thousands, or more, not blinded, without limbs or possessing severe mental health problems.

Idiot.

[Cypress]

The opinions that actually matter, are the opinions of people who were correct, prescient, and showed excellent judgment on both the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War.

The opinions of posters who supported the Iraq War, or those who have suddenly flip flopped to support Trump's military escalation in Afghanistan aren't worth more than a bucket of warm piss.

Barbara Lee not only showed excellent judgment in voting against both the Iraq and the Afghan Wars, she has also spent a decade and a half warning the AUMF granted overly broad powers to the president to wage war. Barbara Lee is a person who's opinion actually matters. .

08.21.17

Press Release from Congress Woman Barbara Lee on Trump's Military Escalation in Afghanistan

-- Congresswoman Barbara Lee: There is No Military Solution in Afghanistan --

Washington, D.C. – Congresswoman Barbara Lee released the following statement in response to President Trump’s announced plan to keep U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

“I am deeply troubled by President Trump’s failure to outline a comprehensive strategy to bring an end to our nation’s longest war. After sixteen years at war, one thing is clear: there is no military solution in Afghanistan. Any lasting peace in Afghanistan must be secured through diplomacy. Further military engagement will only put our brave servicemen and women in harm’s way while doing little to enhance our national security.

“This war has already cost our nation too much, in blood and in treasure. We have lost 2,386 brave American service members, and more than 20,000 American soldiers have been wounded. It is past time to end the war and bring all of our troops home.

“In 2001, I opposed authorization for this war because it allowed any President a blank check to wage endless war without Congressional oversight. The Constitution is clear: Congress must provide advise and consent in matters of war and peace. At a minimum, Congress should debate and vote on a new Authorization for the Use of Military Force before we commit to another surge that will keep our troops in Afghanistan for years to come and cost billions more in spending.”

https://lee.house.gov/news/press-rel...in-afghanistan

[dukkha]

Our own government isn't corruption free, so you throw that standard out.

We don't care about that anyway. All we need is for the Afghans to be *reasonably* able to secure their country. We don't care if they practice Leninist communism. We aren't there to build bridges or help with infrastructure.

Because we aren't there to nation build.

exactly.
we were big on building schools and pushing women's rights. No more of that nation building
Afghanistan way back when was a westernized society -the mujahideen /Taliban changed all that.


Before the 1979 invasion

[domer76]

what's to "trust/distrust?"
He laid out mission conditions without a timeline with strategic plans to get the regional players to buy in,
or quit sabotaging

We've threatened Paki before and not done anything to stop providing safe haven /disruption ;
if anything Trump is much more likely to follow thru

He didn't line it out because he has no plan. Anything that rolls of his lips is a lie.

But, he will have to give some explanation to Congress at some point.

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Oh, please. The bolded is hilarious. The left crowded the streets - when it looked like the war was "won" (after Saddam's statue fell), the left was on the "wrong side of history." We were traitors, and terrorist sympathizers. Talk radio ridiculed the mass demonstrations.

Now that everyone knows it was a mistake, there isn't enough credit to go around. "The left were a part of it, too!" Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, et al. are corporatist Dems. They are not the "left."

The left was right about the war. Deal w/ it.

Most of the left was right about the war, but not all. Good on you for admitting that.

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I care more about Americans, you fucking moron.

Several thousand more alive to be fathers and mothers and sons and daughters and siblings to their families. Multiple tens of thousands, or more, not blinded, without limbs or possessing severe mental health problems.

Idiot.

Like I said, you don't care about Iraqis.

Bush et al, screwed the war up with their war plan and we as a nation suffered. But at least Saddam is gone and his people won't be terrorized by him or his sons anymore.