More Troops to Afghan

[dukkha]

We couldn't do it back in 2001 when bush first started the war and kept adding troops throughout his presidency. 36000 troops on the day of Obama's inauguration. Eight years of bush leadership resulting in zilch.

Bush was an idiot. instead of letting the Northern Alliance just seize control as they did, he had to "spread democracy" and negotiate a Karzai presidency.
Karzai was corrupt to the hilt and saved his skin by acquiesing to the Taliban

[dukkha]

It is now. You're just not paying attention.

Honestly, your double-standard is epic. And the cavalier manner in which you talk about sacrificing young lives is chilling.

are you sure you aren't CYPRESS's sock??

[evince]

reinstate the draft


YOU WANT THIS WAR TO END?

reinstate the draft



Americans will shut it the fuck down quick if a draft is in place.


never fight a war wirthout the draft


its makes it too easy for power to sacrafice lies for already failed policy

[christiefan915]

reinstate the draft

YOU WANT THIS WAR TO END?

reinstate the draft

Americans will shut it the fuck down quick if a draft is in place.

never fight a war wirthout the draft

its makes it too easy for power to sacrafice lies for already failed policy

Well said.

[Amadeus]

I agree that the draft is poison for warmongers. When you and yours have skin in the game, you're not so willing to pull the trigger on military intervention.

[cancel2 2022]

Oooooohhhhh!!!! 454 and 179?????

What's that, about 1/10th of American losses?

That means you get to say 1/10 as much as I do.

And I think you've more than used that up already.

So what are you then but a PFC in the first battalion Keyboard Warriors?

[evince]

thanks


its seems since Bush refused to reinstate the draft for his ill advised war ( because he knew it menat it would not be allowed to fly by the people) that Americans have forgotten thisnrule of the draft.


If you are not willing to reinstate the draft to do a war then that war is NOT REALLY NESSESARY.



when was the last time America didnt reinstate then draft to declare a war?



lets do a little history lesson

[dukkha]

So what are you then but a PFC in the first battalion Keyboard Warriors?

he's an idiot, and he's way off on the numbers. we didn't lose 4k - maybe 2.5k

NATO has done a heroic job sticking with us in Afgh- "Op Resolute Support"

NATO Secretary General welcomes new US South Asia strategy
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_146442.htm
NATO Allies and partners have already committed to increasing our presence in Afghanistan. NATO currently has over 12,000 troops in the country. In recent weeks, more than fifteen nations have pledged additional contributions to our Resolute Support Mission. We place special emphasis on continuing the development of Afghan Special Forces, Air Forces and improving command and control.

[Nomad]

the ignorant peanut gallery chimes in.
We are already spending the money -how much will this "escalation" of like 400k troops cost? It can't be all that much - since you make the claim -you figure it out.

But the Big News is battlefield autonomy to the commanders.
They can go after targets at will, and they can go after networks like the Haqqani

It's EZ to sit there and bitch -not so EZ to provide an alternative.
A complete pull out would lead to fracturization or Taliban control / i.e. a terrorist state

The Average Salary of a U.S. Soldier

Average annual cost of enlisted personel = $29,380 per person.

As an example, the Army website broke down the annual $29,380 compensation of a military police sergeant into $29,380 for salary, $16,164 for housing, $3,900 for food allowances, $1,800 for special pay, and tax advantages of $2,716.

Officer pay is divided into 10 grades, starting from the lowest O-1 and continuing to O-10. For example, as of 2012, the O-1 grade, or second lieutenant, earned $33,941 per year for less than two years of experience, $42,703 annually for four years and $42,703 yearly for six years. The O-3 grade of captain granted yearly wages of $45.256 for less than two years, $60,372 for four years and $63,263 for six years. At O-4, or major, officers made $51,473 annually for less than two years, $64,447 yearly for four years and $68,317 per year for six years.

The ratio of enlisted personel to officers = 3:1.

400k/4 = 100k.

300k enlisted x $29, 380 = $8,814,000,000.00/yr.

100k officers x $50, 000 = $5,000,000,000.00/yr (est.)

Total in personel costs alone = 9,314,000,000.00/yr or just under 9.5 billion per year.

That does not include all of the equipment, construction, housing, transport, fuel, weapons, ammunition, etc, etc, etc.

So maybe double the personnel cost and say $20 billion per year?

That cheap enough for you, annette?

[dukkha]

The Average Salary of a U.S. Soldier

Average annual cost of enlisted personel = $29,380 per person.

As an example, the Army website broke down the annual $29,380 compensation of a military police sergeant into $29,380 for salary, $16,164 for housing, $3,900 for food allowances, $1,800 for special pay, and tax advantages of $2,716.

Officer pay is divided into 10 grades, starting from the lowest O-1 and continuing to O-10. For example, as of 2012, the O-1 grade, or second lieutenant, earned $33,941 per year for less than two years of experience, $42,703 annually for four years and $42,703 yearly for six years. The O-3 grade of captain granted yearly wages of $45.256 for less than two years, $60,372 for four years and $63,263 for six years. At O-4, or major, officers made $51,473 annually for less than two years, $64,447 yearly for four years and $68,317 per year for six years.

The ratio of enlisted personel to officers = 3:1.

400k/4 = 100k.

300k enlisted x $29, 380 = $8,814,000,000.00/yr.

100k officers x $50, 000 = $5,000,000,000.00/yr (est.)

Total in personel costs alone = 9,314,000,000.00/yr or just under 9.5 billion per year.

That does not include all of the equipment, construction, housing, transport, fuel, weapons, ammunition, etc, etc, etc.

So maybe double the personnel cost and say $20 billion per year?

That cheap enough for you, annette?

impressive math -i won't ask for a source

so these are all new personnel - or are they existing personnel shifted to "in theater"? *whoops*

we have spent close to $1T in Afghan however, but those costs were heavy during the earlier phases

[Nomad]

impressive math -i won't ask for a source

so these are all new personnel - or are they existing personnel shifted to "in theater"? *whoops*

we have spent close to $1T in Afghan however, but those costs were heavy during the earlier phases

The source is linked at the top of the post in large blue text.

[Stretch]

It had already started at the time of the speech: "on the same day of the speech, ABC News announced that ninety advance troops from the 82nd Airborne Division had already arrived in Baghdad."

And if you're saying no military specifics, you haven't read the speech. Good lord, he handed it to them on a silver platter.

"20,000 additional troops"
"five brigades deployed to Baghdad"
"troops will work alongside Iraqis and embed in their formations"
"clear and secure neighborhoods"
"increase forces in Anbar province by 4000 troops"
"deployment of additional carrier strike group to the region"
"deploy Patriot air defense systems"

That's the general outline of intentions. Trump did that, too. We're not giving them any exact entrance/exit timeline so the enemy can set their calendars and watches for them to know how long they've got to relax and let their guard down.

Barry O - "On August, 31, 2010 Iraq's combat mission will come to an end."

[Cancel 2020.1]

he's an idiot, and he's way off on the numbers. we didn't lose 4k - maybe 2.5k

NATO has done a heroic job sticking with us in Afgh- "Op Resolute Support"

NATO Secretary General welcomes new US South Asia strategy
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_146442.htm
NATO Allies and partners have already committed to increasing our presence in Afghanistan. NATO currently has over 12,000 troops in the country. In recent weeks, more than fifteen nations have pledged additional contributions to our Resolute Support Mission. We place special emphasis on continuing the development of Afghan Special Forces, Air Forces and improving command and control.

Oh, that's good. Only 2.5k.

Your posts are really hard to stomach. You have no principles.

[dukkha]

Oh, that's good. Only 2.5k.

Your posts are really hard to stomach. You have no principles.

who said "that's good?"..
you are unable to discern starting new wars of interventionism vs. dealing with a hot war dropped into your lap
When you figure that out, then you can address my "principles"

[evince]

it was dropped in Obamas lap too asshole


your Bush fucks destroyed any possiblity of middle east peace for a generation.