More Troops to Afghan

[Bigdog]

Bogus talking point. Either terrorists and militants take over the country after America leaves or they don't. In Afghanistan's case, they will -- regardless of the timeline.

The opinion of a white Canadian that hates America, and didn't listen to the speech, is irrelevant.

[Stretch]

bush telegraphing = A-OK.

Obama telegraphing = OMG the sky is falling.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...no...not OK if Dubya was giving out exact entrance and exact times, either.

[Cancel 2020.1]

Do you ever listen to yourself?

No Commander in Chief has the benefit of doubt with regard to the military? I thought he was CIC?

That said, your moralizing on this issue has gaping holes in it, as I pointed out in my last response. If you think people won't suffer if we abandon Afghanistan, you are delusional. It will work exactly as well as it did in Iraq.

Trump was left with no easy choice on this. And since he is going try novel things, he deserves a shot at it. And if it doesn't work, he can pull out at his, unannounced, discretion.

Since he is, CIC, after all.

You're content being a sheep. I am not.

It's our job to question everything that our leaders do. Not to listen to a speech from a guy who has lied about everything and just say, "sounds good to me!"

[Cancel 2020.1]

It's just really comforting to know we now have a President that gets it.

Military options is and should not be a political decision, end of discussion.
You fight, you fight until you win or are defeated...America wins.
No time table when there is no game clock, that's just amateur.
Presidency is no place for amateurs

You mean for guys who say things like "healthcare is more complicated than we thought!"

A real pro there.

[Rune]

You are full of shit.

War is war.

Escalation is escalation.

Spin is spin.

Thousands more Americans will be killed and maimed.

You pilloried Hillary for being a war monger simply because she cast a vote to authorize use of force in Iraq. You fawned over Trump because he promised to get us out of Afstan. Now he's going back on his word and doing the opposite of what he said during the campaign and you're still lapping up his shit.

Post of the year award.

Field Marshall Anatta is way too excited.

[dukkha]

Bogus talking point. Either terrorists and militants take over the country after America leaves or they don't. In Afghanistan's case, they will -- regardless of the timeline.

you don't know that.
The Northern alliance had a good shot at governing. at one time they threw the Taliban out of Kabul,
They lost control because we did not fully back them-putting in Karzai instead

[Cancel 2020.1]

Noise is anatta?

Wow - the hypocrisy is almost incomprehensible.

[Rune]

nope nope nope..Bush committed us to building a new Iraq -complete with our Green Zone type of forced government.
Trump specifically said no more of that. Afghanistan has to build it's own self

Your"opinion" regarding the ANAF is worthless. zip. nada. you have NO CLUE because you DO NOT RESEARCH
you'd rather pontificate your sanctimonious drivel..

The ANAF have taken YUGE casualties.They are not reliant on US forces fighting for them!
( we don't have 100k there now like Bush/Obama surge -we have less the 8k)
they are reliant on US air ( choppers/strikes) and embedded high skills- not US ground troops.

Weary Afghan Army Fights on as U.S. Weighs Troop Increase
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...troop-increase

Despite assurances from foreign and Afghan officials about progress in improving leadership and tackling corruption, security forces have struggled to contain the insurgency and now control no more than 60 percent of the country.

Most of the issues the troops talk about - lack of reinforcements and equipment, endless tours of duty - are well known despite promises of improvement.

At the same time, security forces have suffered what the U.S. Congressional watchdog SIGAR described as "shockingly high" casualties. Official figures are patchy but at least 807 soldiers and police were killed in the first six weeks of the year after 6,785 in the first 10 months of 2016. Privately, many officials say the real numbers are even higher.

The heavy casualties have also contributed to the other persistent problem facing the army, maintaining the strength of the units doing the fighting. A third of the security forces' personnel does not re-enlist every year and the actual number of troops available for duty is far below official totals, leaving front-line troops increasingly stretched.

Shut the fuck up you warmonger shitstain shil for the Military Industrial Complex.

You ignorant fuck.

Nothing can be accomplished by the US in Afghanistan you flailing retard except further bankruptcy and loss of lives and limbs.

Last month you wete whining like a bitch over the debt.

Who the fuck do you think is paying for this you dumb cuck?

Fuck off and die, cuck fucker.

[dukkha]

Noise is anatta?

Wow - the hypocrisy is almost incomprehensible.

you and CYPRESS need to get a room to practice your sanctimonious bullshit

[Rune]

Noise is anatta?

Wow - the hypocrisy is almost incomprehensible.

Yup, it is sickening.
Literally putrid

Years of pounding Hillary and here he cheers this endless war...with a country which can never be conquered...the actual cause of the bankruptcy and dissolution of the USSR.

What a loser

[christiefan915]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...no...not OK if Dubya was giving out exact entrance and exact times, either.

How quickly they forget. bush telegraphed exactly what he was going to do re: the surge. And, on the same day of the speech, ABC News announced that ninety advance troops from the 82nd Airborne Division had already arrived in Baghdad.

"Now let me explain the main elements of this effort: The Iraqi government will appoint a military commander and two deputy commanders for their capital. The Iraqi government will deploy Iraqi Army and National Police brigades across Baghdad's nine districts. When these forces are fully deployed, there will be 18 Iraqi Army and National Police brigades committed to this effort, along with local police. These Iraqi forces will operate from local police stations -- conducting patrols and setting up checkpoints, and going door-to-door to gain the trust of Baghdad residents.

This is a strong commitment. But for it to succeed, our commanders say the Iraqis will need our help. So America will change our strategy to help the Iraqis carry out their campaign to put down sectarian violence and bring security to the people of Baghdad. This will require increasing American force levels. So I've committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq. The vast majority of them -- five brigades -- will be deployed to Baghdad. These troops will work alongside Iraqi units and be embedded in their formations. Our troops will have a well-defined mission: to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security that Baghdad needs...

...Our military forces in Anbar are killing and capturing al Qaeda leaders, and they are protecting the local population. Recently, local tribal leaders have begun to show their willingness to take on al Qaeda. And as a result, our commanders believe we have an opportunity to deal a serious blow to the terrorists. So I have given orders to increase American forces in Anbar Province by 4,000 troops. These troops will work with Iraqi and tribal forces to keep up the pressure on the terrorists. America's men and women in uniform took away al Qaeda's safe haven in Afghanistan -- and we will not allow them to re-establish it in Iraq...

...We're also taking other steps to bolster the security of Iraq and protect American interests in the Middle East. I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region. We will expand intelligence-sharing and deploy Patriot air defense systems to reassure our friends and allies. We will work with the governments of Turkey and Iraq to help them resolve problems along their border. And we will work with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating the region."

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...0070110-7.html

[Rune]

you and CYPRESS need to get a room to practice your sanctimonious bullshit

Groan, war pig

[dukkha]

Shut the fuck up you warmonger shitstain shil for the Military Industrial Complex.

You ignorant fuck.

Nothing can be accomplished by the US in Afghanistan you flailing retard except further bankruptcy and loss of lives and limbs.

Last month you wete whining like a bitch over the debt.

Who the fuck do you think is paying for this you dumb cuck?

Fuck off and die, cuck fucker.

the ignorant peanut gallery chimes in.
We are already spending the money -how much will this "escalation" of like 400k troops cost? It can't be all that much - since you make the claim -you figure it out.

But the Big News is battlefield autonomy to the commanders.
They can go after targets at will, and they can go after networks like the Haqqani


It's EZ to sit there and bitch -not so EZ to provide an alternative.
A complete pull out would lead to fracturization or Taliban control / i.e. a terrorist state

[dukkha]

Groan, war pig

take your screed to the war forum..the adults are having a conversation

[Rune]

you don't know that.
The Northern alliance had a good shot at governing. at one time they threw the Taliban out of Kabul,
They lost control because we did not fully back them-putting in Karzai instead

No, you don't know that.
Fucking warmonger liar.


KILL YOURSELF