Cancel 2020.1 (08-22-2017), Phantasmal (08-22-2017)
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Phantasmal (08-22-2017)
Rune (08-23-2017)
what's to "trust/distrust?"
He laid out mission conditions without a timeline with strategic plans to get the regional players to buy in,
or quit sabotaging
We've threatened Paki before and not done anything to stop providing safe haven /disruption ;
if anything Trump is much more likely to follow thru
Rune (08-23-2017)
Our own government isn't corruption free, so you throw that standard out.
We don't care about that anyway. All we need is for the Afghans to be *reasonably* able to secure their country. We don't care if they practice Leninist communism. We aren't there to build bridges or help with infrastructure.
Because we aren't there to nation build.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
dukkha (08-22-2017)
Oh, please. The bolded is hilarious. The left crowded the streets - when it looked like the war was "won" (after Saddam's statue fell), the left was on the "wrong side of history." We were traitors, and terrorist sympathizers. Talk radio ridiculed the mass demonstrations.
Now that everyone knows it was a mistake, there isn't enough credit to go around. "The left were a part of it, too!" Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, et al. are corporatist Dems. They are not the "left."
The left was right about the war. Deal w/ it.
christiefan915 (08-22-2017), Rune (08-23-2017)
Rune (08-23-2017)
The opinions that actually matter, are the opinions of people who were correct, prescient, and showed excellent judgment on both the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War.
The opinions of posters who supported the Iraq War, or those who have suddenly flip flopped to support Trump's military escalation in Afghanistan aren't worth more than a bucket of warm piss.
Barbara Lee not only showed excellent judgment in voting against both the Iraq and the Afghan Wars, she has also spent a decade and a half warning the AUMF granted overly broad powers to the president to wage war. Barbara Lee is a person who's opinion actually matters. .
08.21.17
Press Release from Congress Woman Barbara Lee on Trump's Military Escalation in Afghanistan
-- Congresswoman Barbara Lee: There is No Military Solution in Afghanistan --
Washington, D.C. – Congresswoman Barbara Lee released the following statement in response to President Trump’s announced plan to keep U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
“I am deeply troubled by President Trump’s failure to outline a comprehensive strategy to bring an end to our nation’s longest war. After sixteen years at war, one thing is clear: there is no military solution in Afghanistan. Any lasting peace in Afghanistan must be secured through diplomacy. Further military engagement will only put our brave servicemen and women in harm’s way while doing little to enhance our national security.
“This war has already cost our nation too much, in blood and in treasure. We have lost 2,386 brave American service members, and more than 20,000 American soldiers have been wounded. It is past time to end the war and bring all of our troops home.
“In 2001, I opposed authorization for this war because it allowed any President a blank check to wage endless war without Congressional oversight. The Constitution is clear: Congress must provide advise and consent in matters of war and peace. At a minimum, Congress should debate and vote on a new Authorization for the Use of Military Force before we commit to another surge that will keep our troops in Afghanistan for years to come and cost billions more in spending.”
https://lee.house.gov/news/press-rel...in-afghanistan
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