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    who was it that asked a man to kill his own child ?

    who was it that allowed that child to believe his father was goin g to kill him?


    why did he need to test a man he creaated?


    he is all knowing and all seeing

    he knew already IF he existed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Always View Post
    Confidence can be mistaken for bias, I am convinced, will remain convinced, the elements of this world are arranged perfectly, not by accident only by divine intervention. It is short sighted to see it any other way. Correct bias is better than incorrect bias.

    P.S. I'm going love you
    I love you too


    there is no reason to believe god exists other than the desire to see it that way.


    you were trained from birth to see it that way.

    many cultures are not

    dont be biased

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    slavery was not a moral failure?

    the maltreatment of women during our founding was not a moral failure
    No it was a sin


    man has always been flawed

    will likely always be flawed
    Yes, because we are born in sin, however with repentance to God we become a new creation


    I strive to be the best person I can

    Not becuase of threat of everlasting buring in hell (very evil thing to do to flawed beings you created to be flawed)

    Not because Im trying to live forever

    Becuase I have love in my heart for my fellow man that no being had to FORCE there
    That is good, I do believe most strive for that same thing, however I have faith that I will live forever, if I believe in heaven I also believe in a agonizing hell maybe not the description you gave but definitely real

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    I love you too


    there is no reason to believe god exists other than the desire to see it that way.


    you were trained from birth to see it that way.

    many cultures are not

    dont be biased
    I happen to be trained from birth to believe, that was a blessing, but my belief is also because of my experiences in life, and knowledge I attained by realizing that the many times I in my flawed state needed help, God was there for me when no one else was. I give praise and I give him honor, Yeshua

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    faith

    yes because there is no proof

    I like facts


    people used to believe the Craken was real too

    its not
    Strange then that you can't prove that evolution is a fact. Then again.....you say faith requires no proof? Prima Facie evidence far outweighs the existence of creation than it does for the foundation of secularism....the spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter. Just point out the scientific experiment that confirms that life came about naturally by spontaneous generation....you can't because every time that theory is put to the test of the scientific method it is rejected. Now just produce one experiment that has rejected CREATIONISM....just one. Ya see? Naturalism must conform to the physical laws of nature.....such as the law of causality.

    Yet....you believe in Evolution void of it being a demonstrable fact of science? You know what such a belief is called? FAITH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Always View Post
    I happen to be trained from birth to believe, that was a blessing, but my belief is also because of my experiences in life, and knowledge I attained by realizing that the many times I in my flawed state needed help, God was there for me when no one else was. I give praise and I give him honor, Yeshua
    someone was there for me too


    Me


    you were just trained to see that deep part of your self as god.


    trust me


    You would have made it without that belief just as I did


    my life was nit trouble free


    More stressed than most in my time.


    I made it and didnt have to pretend the peoeple harming me would be burned alive for enternity.


    I just knew they were wrong and that wrong behavior would eat at the deeper part of them that you call god and I call me


    jesus never really spoke of sending people to hell huh


    Jesus was one of the great philosophers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Always View Post
    The ailments of our world are the direct result of sin, does God hear the prayers of a sinner?, of course, He hears all, but His reaction is different to those praying amiss and those praying for repentance or in the righteous will of God.

    The Bible states that the fervent prayers of the righteous avail much, passionate prayers of those in the will of God, are answered.

    Our country has allowed in so many moral breakdowns and advocated in evil ones in authority, sitting in high places, God has turned His face from us.
    now


    this is flawed because you refuse to reach out to others with differing beliefs.


    Me : my deep inner self


    God: how you see this same part of you


    how can you restate this while respecting the beliefs of all others ?


    let me give a shot at it.

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    The ailments of our world are the direct result of moral lapse , does our deep inner self hear the thoughts of our moral laspe ?, of course, we hear all, but our reaction is different to those thinking amiss and those thinking of freedom from their immoral actions or in the will of truth.

    those being true to their deep innermost self fervent in the truth avail much, passionate thoughts of those in the will of truth, are recognized within

    Our country has allowed in so many moral breakdowns and advocated in evil ones in authority, sitting in high places, Our deep inner selves have turned their faces from us.



    sin:moral lapse


    god: deep inner self



    sinner: failure to be true to your moral inner self



    righteous :truth


    prayers: thoughts

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    dont preach your religion

    Preach goodness


    otherwise you yourself condem people to hate and send them to your imagined hell


    a hell Jesus didnt believe in


    jesus was about acting in a good manner


    NOT believe or burn in hell fovever.


    he sought to rise the goodness that already existed in most human hearts


    he sought goodness and compassion


    he did not prioritize belief in the "correct " religion


    he sought to make people understand why it was their goodness they should follow


    Now in some christian religions doctrines a person who was the upmost kind and helpful being would be relegated to burn in hell evermore because they werew born in a non christian society


    while a terrible human being who professed the right belief at death would be carried away to heaven.


    how is that moral

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Strange then that you can't prove that evolution is a fact. Then again.....you say faith requires no proof? Prima Facie evidence far outweighs the existence of creation than it does for the foundation of secularism....the spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter. Just point out the scientific experiment that confirms that life came about naturally by spontaneous generation....you can't because every time that theory is put to the test of the scientific method it is rejected. Now just produce one experiment that has rejected CREATIONISM....just one. Ya see? Naturalism must conform to the physical laws of nature.....such as the law of causality.

    Yet....you believe in Evolution void of it being a demonstrable fact of science? You know what such a belief is called? FAITH.
    nope facts


    you just dont believe in those facts


    its your failure not the facts failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    dont preach your religion

    Preach goodness
    I don't preach a religion, right now you don't know what religion I am, other than Christian, I preach the faith I have in Yeshua
    otherwise you yourself condem people to hate and send them to your imagined hell


    a hell Jesus didnt believe in
    They send themselves, and yes, Yeshua warned of hell,

    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).


    Jesus was about acting in a good manner
    oH? you believe in Jesus? you are just out of the knowledge who HE is, ok





    he sought goodness and compassion

    how is that moral
    He came as a servant to save our souls

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    there is no proof that desh is human.....she could easily be an algorithm......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    there is no proof that desh is human.....she could easily be an algorithm......
    Tell any woman who has ever birth a child, that is of a computer.... yeah right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Always View Post
    The ailments of our world are the direct result of sin, does God hear the prayers of a sinner?, of course, He hears all, but His reaction is different to those praying amiss and those praying for repentance or in the righteous will of God.

    The Bible states that the fervent prayers of the righteous avail much, passionate prayers of those in the will of God, are answered.

    Our country has allowed in so many moral breakdowns and advocated in evil ones in authority, sitting in high places, God has turned His face from us.
    Not all Christians support the poser & the others will be stabbed in the back just as he has done those around him, give it some time...
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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