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    If you listen closely you will see the Rump is not denying that he was asking his lawyers about his Authority to pardon himself and others.

    He and his spokesman are denying that Rump is thanking about pardoning anyone.

    But what I find particularly interesting, almost every time the subject comes up, while they are denying that Rump is thinking about pardoning anyone, they specifically and almost universally keep pointing out to the public that Rumps power is plenary and Universal and absolute... (Many constitutional scholars say the president does not have the authority to pardon himself ) why are they trying so hard to plant the seed in peoples head?

    The Constitution clearly says that the president does not have the authority to pardon himself in matters of impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    If you listen closely you will see the Rump is not denying that he was asking his lawyers about his Authority to pardon himself and others.

    He and his spokesman are denying that Rump is thanking about pardoning anyone.

    But what I find particularly interesting, almost every time the subject comes up, while they are denying that Rump is thinking about pardoning anyone, they specifically and almost universally keep pointing out to the public that Rumps power is plenary and Universal and absolute... (Many constitutional scholars say the president does not have the authority to pardon himself ) why are they trying so hard to plant the seed in peoples head?

    The Constitution clearly says that the president does not have the authority to pardon himself in matters of impeachment.
    It never occurred to you that the story is based on hearsay, hyperbole and innuendo? Stunning.

    Secondly; is Trump under investigation for any criminal activity? Everyone who is someone in the Justice Department including Comey has stated he is not under any investigation. So why do you and the Anti-American media think otherwise?

    Link us up to that part of the Constitution that speaks to Presidential pardoning.
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    The only people who said Trump was not under investigation did so before Trump was being investigated for obstruction of justice. Now, based on lots of information it appears he is also being investigated for money laundering and collusion.

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    None of this answers the question, why is the White House finding it so important to insist that the presidents power to pardon people is absolute and includes the power to pardon himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    The only people who said Trump was not under investigation did so before Trump was being investigated for obstruction of justice. Now, based on lots of information it appears he is also being investigated for money laundering and collusion.
    Bullshit; what crimes has Trump committed to be investigated?

    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    The only people who said Trump was not under investigation did so before Trump was being investigated for obstruction of justice. Now, based on lots of information it appears he is also being investigated for money laundering and collusion.
    Bullshit; Trumps attorney says he isn't under any investigations. What crimes would they be investigating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    The only people who said Trump was not under investigation did so before Trump was being investigated for obstruction of justice. Now, based on lots of information it appears he is also being investigated for money laundering and collusion.
    Bullshit:

    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Bullshit; what crimes has Trump committed to be investigated?

    How about he's not being investigated but rather part of an investigation into Russian involvement in the last election

    People not part of an investigation don't lawyer up and prematurely start conversations about pardoning people

    And it is always entertaining to watch the same conservatives who had Clinton guilty and ready for prison based on innuendo now wanting "proof" of everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    None of this answers the question, why is the White House finding it so important to insist that the presidents power to pardon people is absolute and includes the power to pardon himself?
    The question itself is a strawman claim; there is NOTHING credible out there to suggest Trump is researching this or contemplating it. What part of speculative, hyperbolic or unnamed sources do you continue to have such trouble comprehending?

    I'll tell you what; if Mueller finds anything impeachable on trump, I will be perma-banned from the forum. If not, you perma-ban yourself.

    Let's put your rhetoric where your mouth is.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    How about he's not being investigated but rather part of an investigation into Russian involvement in the last election
    Only an idiot would believe this is a distinction. Dunce.

    There was no Russian involvement in our election. There was a hack of the DNC and the WikiLeaks founder who exposed the DNC corruption stated the information did not come from Russia.

    Yet willful idiots think that the Russians are so sophisticated at hacking, they forgot to hide the trail from leading back to themselves. Dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    People not part of an investigation don't lawyer up and prematurely start conversations about pardoning people
    Why not? What part of his lawyer saying he is not aware of any investigation of Trump do you not understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by archcries View Post
    And it is always entertaining to watch the same conservatives who had Clinton guilty and ready for prison based on innuendo now wanting "proof" of everything
    Clinton was most certainly guilty; but what is amusing are whiney liberal leftists who declared there was no "there" there, now declaring there is a there...but for no better reason than they don't like the man and refuse to accept the results of an election.

    Spare me the comparison; it is weak, stupid and disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    and you will come back as someone else just as fucking stupid TD
    You are the queen of stupid, lies and being an uninformed retard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If you listen closely you will see the Rump is not denying that he was asking his lawyers about his Authority to pardon himself and others.

    He and his spokesman are denying that Rump is thanking about pardoning anyone.

    But what I find particularly interesting, almost every time the subject comes up, while they are denying that Rump is thinking about pardoning anyone, they specifically and almost universally keep pointing out to the public that Rumps power is plenary and Universal and absolute... (Many constitutional scholars say the president does not have the authority to pardon himself ) why are they trying so hard to plant the seed in peoples head?

    The Constitution clearly says that the president does not have the authority to pardon himself in matters of impeachment.
    1) the right to pardon is exclusive and without limit.

    2) of course it doesn't apply to impeachment you dumb fuck. Impeachment is a political tool not a criminal one

    God you fucks are so stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Only an idiot would believe this is a distinction. Dunce.

    There was no Russian involvement in our election. There was a hack of the DNC and the WikiLeaks founder who exposed the DNC corruption stated the information did not come from Russia.

    Yet willful idiots think that the Russians are so sophisticated at hacking, they forgot to hide the trail from leading back to themselves. Dumb.



    Why not? What part of his lawyer saying he is not aware of any investigation of Trump do you not understand?



    Clinton was most certainly guilty; but what is amusing are whiney liberal leftists who declared there was no "there" there, now declaring there is a there...but for no better reason than they don't like the man and refuse to accept the results of an election.

    Spare me the comparison; it is weak, stupid and disingenuous.
    Wait a minute, there is "no Russian involvement" based upon the word of Julian Assange? For real? So all those intelligence entities are wrong because Julian Assamge said so?

    Then you add that the President isn't part of any investigation cause his lawyer said so?

    But all that is only topped by the "authoritarian" statement that "Clinton was most certainly guilty," even though no one ever found her guilty of anything at anytime even after six years of trying

    And lastly, the heads of the Trump campaign meeting with Russian agents hoping to secure information provided by the Russian Gov't is the "there" you think is missing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice in Liberaland View Post
    1) the right to pardon is exclusive and without limit.

    2) of course it doesn't apply to impeachment you dumb fuck. Impeachment is a political tool not a criminal one

    God you fucks are so stupid
    So you still haven't answered my question, why does the president and his people feel the need to mention that his pardon power is Without limit every time this issue comes up?

    By the way there are plenty of constitutional scholars who do believe it has a limit, a limit on pardoning himself.

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