Happy Fourth of July

[tsuke]

Standards??? .. you mean like not mass-murdering innocent people for profit?

Innocent people are our enemies???

are we referring to the indians? or someone else? Yes we took their land for our growth. Same as Rome taking gaul and China expanding throughout its current borders.

i think you have this view of america that, if actually done, would have caused the US to be conquered a long time ago.

[cawacko]

All over the news and social media people are talking about the post office today. The founding of our country was based on the post office

[evince]

i think you need to study the hisotry more

[cawacko]

Post office

[evince]

happy fourth

remember the founders wrote the post office right into the constitution


the founders believed a democratic republic could employ social programs that aided the people and prevented criminal behavior

they showed us how the USA could use certain tools to make the country function better and free of certain crimes


do you hate them for that wack

[evince]

On July 26, 1775, members of the Second Continental Congress, meeting in Philadelphia, agreed
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That a postmaster General be appointed for the United Colonies, who shall hold his office at Philada, and shall be allowed a salary of 1000 dollars per an: for himself, and 340 dollars per an: for a secretary and Comptroller, with power to appoint such, and so many deputies as to him may seem proper and necessary.
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That a line of posts be appointed under the direction of the Postmaster general, from Falmouth in New England to Savannah in Georgia, with as many cross posts as he shall think fit.1
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This simple statement signaled the birth of the Post Office Department, the predecessor of the United States Postal Service and the second oldest federal department or agency of the United States of America.



https://about.usps.com/publications/...pub100_001.htm

the founders knew this tool would work


they were correct

[cawacko]

they showed us how the USA could use certain tools to make the country function better and free of certain crimes


do you hate them for that wack

Like slavery?

[USFREEDOM911]

Like slavery?

How many of America's founding fathers were slave owners?

Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 49% owned slaves.

The slave owners were:

Richard Bassett (DE)
Jacob Broom (DE)
John Dickinson (DE)
George Read (DE)
William Houstoun (GA)
William Few (GA)
William Samuel Johnson (CT)
Daniel Carroll (MD)
Luther Martin (MD)
John Francis Mercer (MD)
Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (MD)
William Livingston (NJ)
William Blount (NC)
William Richardson Davie (NC)
Alexander Martin (NC)
Richard Dobbs Spaight (NC)
Pierce Butler (SC)
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (SC)
Charles Pinckney (SC)
John Rutledge (SC)
John Blair (VA)
James Madison (VA)
George Mason (VA)
Edmund Randolph (VA)
George Washington (VA)
George Wythe (VA)
Robert Morris (PA)

There are borderline cases among the above.

Robert Morris did not personally own slaves but did own a slave ship and invested in plantations using slaves. I've listed him as a slave owner since he was a direct participant in slavery and the slave trade.

Some slave owners emancipated their slaves (Richard Bassett and John Dickinson). Other slave owners opposed slavery and supported abolition (Jacob Broom and William Samuel Johnson). Other slave owners opposed the slave trade if not slavery itself.

Of the 26 slaveowners, 19 owned multiple slaves and relied on slave labor for their livelihood.

[evince]

Like slavery?

so you guys hate the founders


good thing they tasked us with creating a more perfect union huh

[cawacko]

so you guys hate the founders


good thing they tasked us with creating a more perfect union huh

So you like slave holders who killed native Americans and oppressed black people?

[Stretch]

Happy birthday USA
A speech from Daniel Webster 1804



http://apologeticspress.org/APConten...m_medium=email

Well stated...Happy Independence Day!

[blackascoal]

are we referring to the indians? or someone else? Yes we took their land for our growth. Same as Rome taking gaul and China expanding throughout its current borders.

i think you have this view of america that, if actually done, would have caused the US to be conquered a long time ago.

I'm talking about a long line of people that we've slaughtered .. and one doesn't have to go back hundreds of years to find the truth of that.

Right, we slaughter innocent people with no power to keep from being 'conquered.' :0)

You're free to hold whatever view you choose about this country. Free to believe whatever history you choose to believe.

But patriotism/emotion doesn't change history nor facts .. and neither Rome nor China justifies the horrors of true American history.

[blackascoal]

so you guys hate the founders


good thing they tasked us with creating a more perfect union huh

I think the Founders were brilliant .. the deists that they were.

[tsuke]

I'm talking about a long line of people that we've slaughtered .. and one doesn't have to go back hundreds of years to find the truth of that.

Right, we slaughter innocent people with no power to keep from being 'conquered.' :0)

You're free to hold whatever view you choose about this country. Free to believe whatever history you choose to believe.

But patriotism/emotion doesn't change history nor facts .. and neither Rome nor China justifies the horrors of true American history.

yes we did. Lets take you 2 main issues. Slavery and slaughering the poor indians.

If there is no slavery there is no cotton. If there is no cotton (and other crops) the US would have had almost no industries or wealth. Without conquering our neighbors the US would be restricted to 13 colonies. Somebody else would have filled up the rest of the continent. Most likely the indians, mexicans, or canadians.

Your moralist policies would have led the US to become a third world country. An extremely well mannered and good country but a third world one nonetheless.

Of course without the manufacturing, financial, and population base of the US we would not have the impact we had on ww1 and ww2.

The standards you set are only met by nations who get conquered by others.

[blackascoal]

yes we did. Lets take you 2 main issues. Slavery and slaughering the poor indians.

If there is no slavery there is no cotton. If there is no cotton (and other crops) the US would have had almost no industries or wealth. Without conquering our neighbors the US would be restricted to 13 colonies. Somebody else would have filled up the rest of the continent. Most likely the indians, mexicans, or canadians.

Your moralist policies would have led the US to become a third world country. An extremely well mannered and good country but a third world one nonetheless.

Of course without the manufacturing, financial, and population base of the US we would not have the impact we had on ww1 and ww2.

The standards you set are only met by nations who get conquered by others.

Slaves weren't needed for America to profit from cotton. The South wanted slaves because they didn't have to pay them, and because they were racists and monsters without compassion. They wanted people they could dominate.

Without slaves the South would have suffered, but America would still grow and prosper.

Even after slavery was abolished the hate, oppression, and suffering of Black people continued for hundreds of years. We've been in this country for over 400 years, yet only been relatively free for 52 years. The 'economic' reasons for hate and evil is just bullshit.

What America did to Native Americans is a horror story bar none .. but the evil didn't stop there.

We've dreamed up bullshit reasons to mass-murder countless innocent people. Over a million in Vietnam because of the fake Gulf of Tonkin story and some bullshit called 'the Domino Theory' .. that never happened.

Countless dead Iraqis because of non-existent WMD. Bullshit .. we did it for the money. War profiteering is what we're good at.

We destroyed Libya without batting an eye .. and used AL QUEDA to do it. Destroyed it for profit.

The notion that we must murder and oppress our way to glory is mindboggling ridiculous. Even if that were true, it wouldn't change what we are .. murderers for profit.

Have bombs will travel.