Lessons From Georgia

[GazzaQueen]

You'll have to ask them. I don't consider myself to be a Democrat. But they're definitely making mistakes right now.

So different from the smooth, mistake-free sailing we see from Trump.

Very different, opposites in fact. It's the difference between winning and losing.

[tsuke]

The Dems TRIED to make it a national referendum.

They made the mistake of reading too much into the potential of a race in a deeply red area. Now, many on the right are making the mistake of buying that this is vindication for Trump and has larger implications.

A pretty liberal guy couldn't win in a pretty conservative district. In other news, the sun will go down tonight.

the trend is actually pretty clear. If its low turnout its better for the dems being the more energized party. If its a higher turnout its worse because the republicans vote too.

[Getin the ring]

The entire analysis is flawed, because you're using the results of a Presidential race as a basis for comparison.

Congressional races tend to be local. And the GOP candidate has won that district's race every single time for decades, by an average margin of over 30%. No way the Dems should have come close there. They miscalculated & should not have spent the money - but a Republican winning there is hardly a surprise.

but the real question is what would have been liberal media, and liberals by extension because they react any way the media tells them to, IF the Dem would have won the race?

Would have been "roh roh, Referendum on Trump", no?

[Getin the ring]

the trend is actually pretty clear. If its low turnout its better for the dems being the more energized party. If its a higher turnout its worse because the republicans vote too.

AND,

republican energized voters are not going anywhere any time soon. The media is keeping them fired up. It's this liberal media antagonizing through their better than thou reporting and opinion journalism that keeps the fire lit under republican voters.

And I opine that at least as far out as the 2018 mid terms that pot will still be boiling. trust me.

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but the real question is what would have been liberal media, and liberals by extension because they react any way the media tells them to, IF the Dem would have won the race?

Would have been "roh roh, Referendum on Trump", no?

Probably. A Dem winning in that district would have been a big deal.

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You'll have to ask them. I don't consider myself to be a Democrat. But they're definitely making mistakes right now.

So different from the smooth, mistake-free sailing we see from Trump.

But this is the same group you think is going to spank the GOP in 2018?

Based on what? History? That it?

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but the real question is what would have been liberal media, and liberals by extension because they react any way the media tells them to, IF the Dem would have won the race?

Would have been "roh roh, Referendum on Trump", no?

That is exactly what Thingy would have done

[tsuke]

Probably. A Dem winning in that district would have been a big deal.

what your also missing is the environment for teh midterms will be a lot closer to the Handel election than it is to the grapplin greg or south carolina elections. Democrats will try and make it about trump.

FYI if red areas vote red and blue areas vote blue your going to get massacred in the senate.

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what your also missing is the environment for teh midterms will be a lot closer to the Handel election than it is to the grapplin greg or south carolina elections. Democrats will try and make it about trump.

FYI if red areas vote red and blue areas vote blue your going to get massacred in the senate.

Right after the general election Thingy was predicting a wipeout for the GOP in 2018. House and Senate. He appears to be walking that back now.

Thingy maintains that Trump will drag down the GOP in 2018. But not this time around.

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But this is the same group you think is going to spank the GOP in 2018?

Based on what? History? That it?

Exactly. You don't seem to be much of a student of history in general.

The GOP is basically maxxed out. They made huge gains throughout the Obama years, mainly due to Obamacare, which was perceived as an overreach by the electorate (even though Obama basically had a mandate for it in '08).

History tells us the following: it is rare that the party in power makes gains in a mid-term election. Beyond that, it is rare that Americans give one party the reigns of power for too long. Americans are mostly purple - they prefer split government.

And as much as the Dems bumbled this, I think Perez and Ellison are pretty capable leaders in general. Given Trump's historic unpopularity, they will be able to win a lot of races in '18.

Too bad for you guys that Georgia doesn't decide the whole House.

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Right after the general election Thingy was predicting a wipeout for the GOP in 2018. House and Senate. He appears to be walking that back now.

Thingy maintains that Trump will drag down the GOP in 2018. But not this time around.

Can you point out where I have walked that back?

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That is exactly what Thingy would have done

I love how upset you are about me. Desh-guy.

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Exactly. You don't seem to be much of a student of history in general.

The GOP is basically maxxed out. They made huge gains throughout the Obama years, mainly due to Obamacare, which was perceived as an overreach by the electorate (even though Obama basically had a mandate for it in '08).

History tells us the following: it is rare that the party in power makes gains in a mid-term election. Beyond that, it is rare that Americans give one party the reigns of power for too long. Americans are mostly purple - they prefer split government.

And as much as the Dems bumbled this, I think Perez and Ellison are pretty capable leaders in general. Given Trump's historic unpopularity, they will be able to win a lot of races in '18.

Too bad for you guys that Georgia doesn't decide the whole House.

Tell ya what puddin

Why don't you list for us all of the House seats you think the dems are going to pick up. Think you are up to the task? Or will you be too chicken to be that specific? Or maybe you aren't as astute politically as you claim to be.

Yes history usually favors the out party. But that didn't hold true in 2002

[GazzaQueen]

Exactly. You don't seem to be much of a student of history in general.

The GOP is basically maxxed out. They made huge gains throughout the Obama years, mainly due to Obamacare, which was perceived as an overreach by the electorate (even though Obama basically had a mandate for it in '08).

History tells us the following: it is rare that the party in power makes gains in a mid-term election. Beyond that, it is rare that Americans give one party the reigns of power for too long. Americans are mostly purple - they prefer split government.

And as much as the Dems bumbled this, I think Perez and Ellison are pretty capable leaders in general. Given Trump's historic unpopularity, they will be able to win a lot of races in '18.

Too bad for you guys that Georgia doesn't decide the whole House.

Biggest upset in American political history. Historically speaking.

To clarify...Obama was very popular, and so lost everything the Dems had gained.

Trump is unpopular, so will lose everything the Reps have gained.

Something like that?

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Tell ya what puddin

Why don't you list for us all of the House seats you think the dems are going to pick up. Think you are up to the task? Or will you be too chicken to be that specific? Or maybe you aren't as astute politically as you claim to be.

Yes history usually favors the out party. But that didn't hold true in 2002

LOL - you always give me lengthy homework assignments, as though you think I care that much about proving something to you. I already live rent-free in your head.

Who knows? I don't even know what the races are yet. I just know my political history - and I said rare, which means there are exceptions like 2002.