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Thread: London Apartment Tower ENGULFED in flames for a day but NO COLLAPSE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    hyperbole and ridicule. a sure sign you're losing due to facts.
    No, I really want to provide some monetary help; so you can continue with your crusade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    shouldn't YOU be the one posting that with your claim of it falling the way it was supposed to?
    I never made the claim that it was built with the expectation of "falling", so that proof would be the responsibility of the one who suggested it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    try following the thread.
    I have not read it from the beginning but I have the last few pages. I think my question is justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    and you're seriously going to sit there and try to tell me that engineering and structure forensics for these two buildings was SO EXACT!!!!!!! that it could be built to fall straight down in upon itself no matter the cause of the damage??????
    The science doesn't have to be exact. The only load acting on the buildings between the time of the crashes and collapse were gravity, which acts straight downward.

    Let me explain it as simply as possible. The two towers were built with a ring of perimeter columns, and a second smaller ring surrounding the elevator core. The crashes and fires were tens of stories below the top of the building, so there were huge gravity loads acting on the columns in the fire area. The heavy steel columns were braced by the interior floors (roughly 10' spacing). The floors were all supported by bar joists, which are very light weight. Once the joists got soft from the fires they sagged and could no longer support the columns.

    Once the support was lost the weight of the upper floors crushed the columns and then the whole mess started to accelerate by gravity downward. So the next floor below got dynamic loads in addition to gravity loads, and collapsed. That continued right down to the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Just because you run from the facts, doesn't mean that there is no basis to them.

    Just accept the fact that you have nothing but conjecture, supposition, and assumptions to suggest that your paranoid conclusion is fact.
    dude, I asked a simple damned question and was given a bullshit answer that NOBODY has been able to answer with good, definitive information. would you like to try it?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzaQueen View Post
    So that's how they did it. Good thinking.
    yeah, you're right. the government is a stand up, never do bad, organization that ONLY works for our best interests and safety. how could i have been so wrong..........
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Man I thought you were smarter than that, you are venturing onto Desh territory.
    you're right. government is good and noble. would NEVER do anything wrong to us. my bad.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    I never made the claim that it was built with the expectation of "falling", so that proof would be the responsibility of the one who suggested it.
    then ask RIGHT to provide it.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    yeah, you're right. the government is a stand up, never do bad, organization that ONLY works for our best interests and safety. how could i have been so wrong..........
    How did they do it, I wonder. What do you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right View Post
    The science doesn't have to be exact. The only load acting on the buildings between the time of the crashes and collapse were gravity, which acts straight downward.
    then you suck ass as a scientist with an engineering degree because you're missing a supposedly very important factor in your 'loads' which is the fire and initial damage from the jet. but lets not let awkward issues fuck with your scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Right View Post
    Let me explain it as simply as possible. The two towers were built with a ring of perimeter columns, and a second smaller ring surrounding the elevator core. The crashes and fires were tens of stories below the top of the building, so there were huge gravity loads acting on the columns in the fire area. The heavy steel columns were braced by the interior floors (roughly 10' spacing). The floors were all supported by bar joists, which are very light weight. Once the joists got soft from the fires they sagged and could no longer support the columns.

    Once the support was lost the weight of the upper floors crushed the columns and then the whole mess started to accelerate by gravity downward. So the next floor below got dynamic loads in addition to gravity loads, and collapsed. That continued right down to the ground.
    and you're basing your theory on the hypothesis of BOTH planes causing almost the SAME AMOUNT of LOCALIZED damage, and that the fire from both jets caused an EQUAL AMOUNT of heat damage to those 8 supporting joists in BOTH BUILDINGS just so that they both collapsed in upon themselves in almost the exact way each............

    and you think those odds are the same as a group of 19 individuals who actually PLANNED on ramming two planes in to two buildings.......

    yeah, i see how that works in idiot land.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzaQueen View Post
    How did they do it, I wonder. What do you say?
    why are you asking me that? do you think i'm part of the government?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    then you suck ass as a scientist with an engineering degree because you're missing a supposedly very important factor in your 'loads' which is the fire and initial damage from the jet. but lets not let awkward issues fuck with your scenario.

    and you're basing your theory on the hypothesis of BOTH planes causing almost the SAME AMOUNT of LOCALIZED damage, and that the fire from both jets caused an EQUAL AMOUNT of heat damage to those 8 supporting joists in BOTH BUILDINGS just so that they both collapsed in upon themselves in almost the exact way each............

    and you think those odds are the same as a group of 19 individuals who actually PLANNED on ramming two planes in to two buildings.......


    yeah, i see how that works in idiot land.
    You should.

    You being the resident expert on the subject of how things work in idiot land.
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    C'MON MAN!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    You should.

    You being the resident expert on the subject of how things work in idiot land.
    yet you're the one swallowing the government koolaid. whatever.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    why are you asking me that? do you think i'm part of the government?
    I think that any story that you can come up with is much more bizarre and unlikely than what we all saw with our own eyes.

    But I know you have an explanation. Maybe it's your secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzaQueen View Post
    I think that any story that you can come up with is much more bizarre and unlikely than what we all saw with our own eyes.

    But I know you have an explanation. Maybe it's your secret.
    if I had an explanation, I would have put it up here long ago.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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