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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Please don't. I never heard of Popper until you mentioned him in this thread.
    He thinks I learned all about Karl Popper from him. He's an idiot...and also arrogant.
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    INT is intelligent, but insane. Just because he latches onto something as mentally ill people often do, shouldn't cause intelligent and sane people from open discussion on anything that interests them.
    Psychoquackery.
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    If you'd never mentioned Popper, I might have never looked him up.
    Do more than just look him up. Get a book containing his philosophies. He makes some pretty powerful arguments...and not just about the definition of 'science'.

    Cypress is desperately trying to deny science, confusing his religion with science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Good point. At this point, there is no way to rule out life was seeded here.

    There is some speculation life on earth came from Mars via meteorites, as Mars was probably hospitable to life 3.5 billion years ago.
    Not possible. Mars is too small, and therefore does not have sufficient atmosphere nor liquid water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. It's possible life began on Mars and was transported here naturally or unnaturally by unknown forces. Again, despite the complaints of some members, it all goes under the file heading of "UNKNOWN".
    Not possible. Mars is too small. It could never have developed a sufficient atmosphere nor liquid water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I agree. The limitations of language place us at a disadvantage to even cogently discuss some of the deeper mysteries of physics and cosmology.

    It really all has to be communicated in the language of higher mathematics.
    Buzzword fallacies. Word salad. Try again...this time in English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed....and if that math goes higher than algebra and a little Trig, I'm out.

    Most of my math is formulas such as F = MA, about as high as I go but mostly Time Distance equations and fuel burn per hour or mile.
    F=mA is, in my opinion, the most significant bit of physics so far to date. Newton did something that no one else was really able to: start to ask questions about what 'Force' really is, what 'mass' really is, and what 'acceleration' really is. Simply trying to answer these simple questions has brought about many new theories of science.
    It is, in my opinion, more important then E=mc^2 in what it has done for science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    How can I have a faith in it? That doesn't even make any sense. I don't know how it happened. But I DO know it had origin(s) on Earth. An origin could be from aliens seeding Earth. That as a valid theory as others.
    This is a statement of faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Yes, there is a record of ancient single celled archaeon, cyanobacteria, and prokaryotes in Earth's fossil record. This is corroborated in some cases by isotopic data

    It is shocking that anyone who wants to be taken seriously in a discussion of life's origins would be oblivious to that scientific fact.
    Science isn't buzzwords. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    you're dumb and a waste of time
    Since the discussion is before the Big Bang and there is no time, what is being wasted???
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    He's just trying - in a really forced kind of way - to make it sound like as much of a religion as actual religion.

    People don't worship or have "faith" in anything related to abiogenesis. It's just a fact that life arose at some point. And probably many points. It isn't that mystical - the ability to replicate is all that's required.
    Not a fact. An argument. The Theory of Abiogenesis is a nonscientific theory. It remains a circular argument. The other word for the circular argument is 'faith'. You cannot prove any circular argument either True nor False.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Falsification is an element of scientific practice, but your worship of Karl Popper's criteria of demarcation does not reflect the reality of how professional science is practiced.
    Paradox. Which is it, dude? I do not worship Karl Popper. Bulverism fallacy.
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    Popper had a misplaced impression of a triumphant progression of science based on the relentless falsification of bogus theories to shrink the scope of our ignorance.
    Obviously you have never read his philosophies.
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    That is not the way it works.
    Science doesn't 'work'. Science is just a set of falsifiable theories. No more. No less.
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    Scientific progress would be at a virtual standstill if we took Karl Popper literally at his word.
    Why?
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    We did not throw out Newton's theories of gravitation because the phenomena of dark energy seemed to contradict Newtonian mechanics.
    There is no need to discard Newton's theory (not theories) of gravitation because of a buzzword.
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    We are not going to discard the theory of general relativity because we discovered it does not work at quantum scales.
    It was not supposed to. Divisional error fallacy.
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    Science is going to progress by inference to the best explanation as much as it does by Popper's philosophy of science.
    Paradox. Which is it, dude?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I see how you shifted the goal posts rather than admit you were unaware of that an ancient fossil record of bacteria exist in the geologic record.
    Fossils do not denote geneology. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Poor wording. Organized implies thinking or planning. Evolution is random. The changes that are beneficial stay. The ones that are harmful perish.
    Define 'beneficial evolution' and define 'harmful evolution'. Darwin's theory of Natural Selection forms a paradox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I believe I either said, or directly implied, it is a scientific fact.
    Nope. Religion is not science. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
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    Science cannot accept supernatural explanations.
    Yet you are trying to use one. What is 'natural' about suspending the 2nd law of thermodynamics for even a moment?
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    It cannot be proven that abiogenesis was a providential miracle. Maybe it was.
    It would have to be.
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    But that is the realm of theology.
    The Theory of Abiogenesis is a religion.
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    The fact that all cells, all DNA molecules, all genes, all proteins, all amino acids are all constructed from a few basic elements found widely in the environment - carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus -- indicates scientifically that life arose from a pre-biotic soup of inert chemicals.
    Nope. No science here. Religion isn't science. Speculation isn't science. Science has not theories about past unobserved events.
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    That is abiogenesis. There is no other way scientifically to read those facts.
    That is not abiogenesis. The Theory of Abiogenesis states that life originated on Earth through a series of random unspecified events...not what elements life is made up of.
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    Even the cop out of saying life was seeded from another planet cannot escape the conclusion that life emerged from the complex organization of very basic and common chemicals. At the elemental and atomic level, there is nothing exotic about life. Atomically, it is made up of the same stuff the universe is.
    Meta argument fallacy. Paradox.
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    The question is, we do not know what the chemical or physical mechanism is that kick started biological emergence.
    The Theory of Abiogenesis doesn't need to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Natural selection is not random. Life is "organized" through natural selection.
    The 'Theory of Natural Selection' builds a paradox. It's not a theory. It's not a valid argument. It is irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Well, it's also observable & logical.

    So, there's that.
    Irrationality is not an observation. A paradox is not an observation.
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